Re: [Tagging] Adding values to usage=* key for power transmission

[François Lacombe]

I guess no one should tag a single feature with both power=* and railway=*
since they are actually separated in reality.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/167556124 is an error : is it an abandoned
railway with power feeder remaining on landscape or a power line built on
the abandoned railway ?
We don't know really...

So tags like usage=*, location=*, operator=*, ... should be domain-less and
get a worldwide extent for each field of knowledge which require them.

operator=* sounds to be the perfect example : everyone should use them but
all companies in the world won't operate all features.
We didn't create power:operator and railway:operator.


I hope I'm clear :)

All the best

*François Lacombe*

fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
www.infos-reseaux.com
@InfosReseaux 

2014-12-04 13:50 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
> 2014-12-03 19:55 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert :
>
>> I do not know why anyone should tag one OSM way both with power=* and
>> railway=*.
>>
>
>
> here are some examples:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/167556124
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/167556076
> and some more ways:
>   12279208
>  102605934
>  102605956
>  102605964
>  102605870
>  102606010
>   12271449
>  102605932
>  102606020
>   20649231
>   20065378
>  159234583
>  159234590
>   20062789
>  159234589
>   20060234
>  117020356
>   20059936
>   87829940
>
> haven't checked all, but they seem to be in majority ways tagged as
> railway=abandoned. You might not know why people are doing this, but they
> actually do it.
> Here's 2 that aren't abandoned railways:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/168659470
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/299352641 (OK, this is a razed railway,
> probably similar to abandoned).
>
> cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap

[John F. Eldredge]

True. There could be chemical contamination which would not be removed by 
filtering or boiling, and which would render the water unsafe to drink.


On December 5, 2014 4:05:09 AM CST, Martin Koppenhoefer 
 wrote:
> 2014-12-05 0:42 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> 
> > water_potable = yes/no If not known you don't tag. Then it will some
> > default action possibly based on location. Some may want tags
> 'boil',
> > 'filter','filter+boil' ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> values like "boil" or "filter" could go under a key like
> "suggested_water_treatment". I think it bears some risk for the mapper
> to
> add information like this to a water source where the water is
> officially
> classified as non-potable.
> 
> cheers,
> Martin
> 
> 
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Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

[SomeoneElse]

On 06/12/2014 18:43, Friedrich Volkmann wrote:

On 06.12.2014 19:06, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

There is a proposed tag man_made=adit that is a good idea. But I think that it
would be better to use man_made=adit_entrance for adit entrances - too make it
clear and obvious what should be tagged and to make it closer to
natural=cave_entrance

Wikipedia says: "An adit (from Latin aditus, entrance)[1] is an entrance to
an underground mine..."

An adit_entrance would be an entrance to an entrance.



Look up "Pendle Hill" some time :-)

Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

[SomeoneElse]

On 06/12/2014 18:06, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
There is a proposed tag man_made=adit that is a good idea. But I think 
that it
would be better to use man_made=adit_entrance for adit entrances - too 
make it
clear and obvious what should be tagged and to make it closer to 
natural=cave_entrance


That would be closer to the English usage of the word "adit" round near 
me (Derbyshire, England - lots of mining and lots of rain, so lots of 
adits to let the water out).


To be absolutely clear - an adit isn't just the entrance, it's the 
(nearly horizontal) passage from the entrance into the mine. Wikipedia 
doesn't always "get things right" (especially when it comes to 
distinguishing between different regional Englishes) but it does a 
pretty good job here:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adit

(better than our wiki tag page IMHO)

Cheers,
Andy


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Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

[Friedrich Volkmann]

On 06.12.2014 19:06, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> There is a proposed tag man_made=adit that is a good idea. But I think that it
> would be better to use man_made=adit_entrance for adit entrances - too make it
> clear and obvious what should be tagged and to make it closer to
> natural=cave_entrance

Wikipedia says: "An adit (from Latin aditus, entrance)[1] is an entrance to
an underground mine..."

An adit_entrance would be an entrance to an entrance.

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[Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

[Mateusz Konieczny]

There is a proposed tag man_made=adit that is a good idea. But I think that
it
would be better to use man_made=adit_entrance for adit entrances - too make
it
clear and obvious what should be tagged and to make it closer to
natural=cave_entrance

related: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dadit and
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/704
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Re: [Tagging] I don't like acronyms [fork from: access in the wiki]

[moltonel 3x Combo]

On 04/12/2014, althio forum  wrote:
>>> - psv > public_service or public_transport
>>> - hov > carpool
>>> - hgv > heavy_goods
>>
>> while I would support this move, I think
>> we should spell these out and not reduce the information
>> so psv should become "public_service_vehicle",
>
> I think that "_vehicle" is unnecessary in the context of defining
> specific land transport mode.
> That is why I dropped it. We also know that agricultural=* and
> emergency=* are refering to vehicles here.

Inthe case of hgv, it's the vehicle that is heavy, not the goods. So
heavy_goods is a really bad fit imho.

I'm also not a fan ofnthe concept of a "shortened expansion". HOV is
new to me, but psv and hgv (abbreviated or not) are legally-defined
terms. If you take one word away from it, it's not the same concept
anymore (defined by the layman intead of by the lawmaker).

As for the idea of expanding those abbreviations, I don't care that
much. Many roadsigns litterally say "hgv", and you'll force routing
software to pick up another value. Not sure it's wprth the increased
readability.

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Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations & convenience stores

[Philip Barnes]

On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 11:55 -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 09:46 -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> > A hybrid approach is possible also where simple is acceptable: 
> > "amenity=fuel, shop=yes"
> 
> Shouldn't this be shop=convenience (in most cases)? 
> 
In many cases the shop will be a convenience store, but not always.

There are still more traditional shops that are there primarily to take
payment for fuel but will sell oil, bulbs, and cold soft drinks and
sweets for the journey. It has limited use so far, but I tag these as
shop=forecourt.

The tag shop=convenience implies a wide range of food available and will
be used by customers not buying fuel.

Phil (trigpoint)



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