[Tagging] dinosaur park

2014-12-27 Thread Johannes
Hello, today I searched for dinosaur parks in my surrounding.

These parks seems to have a current tagging like
leisure=park or leisure=recreation_ground
name=Dinopark X

also dinosaur musuems also just seem to have
tourism=museum and a name tag.

So its impossible to query them without regexp.

Do you think a new tag like
park=dinosaur
or
leisure=dinosaur_park
is a good idea?

Or maybe a more general tagging scheme like
subject=dinosaur
could be connected to tourism=museum or leisure=park.
And its a general container for other needs.


What is your meaning?
Regards Johannes








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Re: [Tagging] dinosaur park

2014-12-27 Thread Marc Gemis
When you look at the discussion page for museum [1], you might notice that
first there was subject, but most museum themes are now mapped with
museum=xxx

Anyway, I would not introduce a new toplevel tag for this, but add
key-value pairs to further specify museum.

I'm not sure about leisure=park or recreation_ground. The wiki page [2] on
leisure=recreation_ground, says that it might be better to replace it with
landuse=recreation_ground. The description of that [3] is not really
appropriate for your purpose IMHO.

Maybe just tourism=attraction ?

regards

m

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:tourism%3Dmuseum
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aleisure%3Drecreation_ground
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Drecreation_ground

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Johannes jotpe@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, today I searched for dinosaur parks in my surrounding.

 These parks seems to have a current tagging like
 leisure=park or leisure=recreation_ground
 name=Dinopark X

 also dinosaur musuems also just seem to have
 tourism=museum and a name tag.

 So its impossible to query them without regexp.

 Do you think a new tag like
 park=dinosaur
 or
 leisure=dinosaur_park
 is a good idea?

 Or maybe a more general tagging scheme like
 subject=dinosaur
 could be connected to tourism=museum or leisure=park.
 And its a general container for other needs.


 What is your meaning?
 Regards Johannes







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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre

2014-12-27 Thread Andreas Goss

From the German Forum... just wanted to mention this here, too.
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=29190


What's wrong with sport=fitness and leisure=sports_centre?


Persoanlly I think it would result in all kind of facilities being 
tagged like this, even though it's not the primary purpose. For example 
someone posted a User Diary entry about rowing clubs in Denmark and that 
some have a fitness centre. I don't know about you, but that's not 
exacly for I'm looking for when searching for one.

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[Tagging] Defining genre for public bookcases

2014-12-27 Thread Guillaume Pratte
Hello,

Many public bookcases are small enough (20-30 books) that hey can have an 
implicit genre, for example most books are science-fiction novels, cookbooks, 
etc.

If you are looking for a particular genre, this information can be particularly 
helpful on a public bookcase map (so you know which public bookcase to visit).

There does not seem to have a generic genre tag in OSM. Should it be mapped 
like proposed in amenity=theathre?

  theatre:genre=drama
  theatre:genre=opera
  ...

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtheatre 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=theatre

This could give:

  literature:genre=science-fiction
  literature:genre=mystery
  literature:genre=cookbook
  literature:genre=comedy
  …

What do you think?

Guillaume

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[Tagging] key:support, man_made=surveillance

2014-12-27 Thread Rainer Fügenstein
hi,

since the pipeline proposal was approved, I'm currently creating
sub-pages for most tags used in the proposal. I took the liberty to
create a page for support=* [1], as discussed earlier.

two ideas:
- support=* could also be useful for man_made=surveillance. the
example picture in [2] prominently features a pole.
- since surveillance cameras are often mounted on ceilings,
I introduced support=ceiling.

let me know if this is acceptable or requires a proposal.

cu


[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:support
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurveillance


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Re: [Tagging] key:support, man_made=surveillance

2014-12-27 Thread François Lacombe
I suggest to focus on what is actually approved.

Like location=*, usage=* or substation=*, main proposal features like
pipeline should be described on a dedicated key page
Those feature key pages will use some of these tags (like support=*) and
give the values which correspond to.

If man_made=surveillance want to use support=* key, values should be given
on man_made=surveillance page.


Furthermore, a dedicated support=* key page can be created to explain how
this tag is used and link to pipeline or surveillance page to have an idea
of values in details.

Such a structure will help a lot QA and tools maintainers to define more
precisely their list of accepted values for each main feature (pipeline or
surveillance for instance).


Cheers

*François Lacombe*

fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
www.infos-reseaux.com
@InfosReseaux http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux

2014-12-27 20:38 GMT+01:00 Rainer Fügenstein r...@oudeis.org:

 hi,

 since the pipeline proposal was approved, I'm currently creating
 sub-pages for most tags used in the proposal. I took the liberty to
 create a page for support=* [1], as discussed earlier.

 two ideas:
 - support=* could also be useful for man_made=surveillance. the
 example picture in [2] prominently features a pole.
 - since surveillance cameras are often mounted on ceilings,
 I introduced support=ceiling.

 let me know if this is acceptable or requires a proposal.

 cu


 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:support
 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurveillance


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[Tagging] shop=provisions (Import Norway)

2014-12-27 Thread Andreas Goss
Found this tag when cleaning up shop=*. I guess you can buy food and/or 
equipment there?


Looks like it's all from a import from Norway for tourist huts.

* 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/N50_import_%28Norway%29

* http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6HN

So what's the best way to deal with this now? Just document it? Are 
there already similar tags?

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[Tagging] Replying to raw digests considered harmful

2014-12-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Could you please consider either subscribing to the nondigested version of
the mailing list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging or use
procmail to split each digest into it's constituent messages
http://pm-doc.sourceforge.net/doc/#splitting_digest?  Replying to the
emails containing the digested mbox breaks threading by not preserving the
In-Reply-To or Subject headers and makes everyone else's mailboxes harder
to manage (particularly for folks filtering by thread; most folks are
likely to filter anything with digest in the subject straight to trash or
mute it without reading).

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Ulrich Lamm ulamm.b...@t-online.de wrote:

 Some weeks ago, I have written something on reliable mapping, see
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ulamm/Mappers,_evaluators_and_feedback

 For a special feature, I'd also added it to an existing article, but it
 was reverted, see Attention in the upper table of
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepatholdid=1119074

 Ulrich


 Am 24.12.2014 um 01:29 schrieb tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org:

 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:37:34 +0100
 From: Rainer Fügenstein r...@oudeis.org
 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
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 Subject: [Tagging] Accuracy of survey
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 while we are at it, imagine the following situation:

 mapper A, by means of DGPS, MilStd GPS, crystal ball etc., is able to
 achieve an accuracy of, say, a few centimeters and uses it to add new
 nodes (POIs) to OSM.

 some time later, mapper B with his/her ancestors mechanical GPS device
 (*), achieving an accuracy of max., say, 15 meters, surveys the same
 area, figures out that (by his/her point of view) POIs added by mapper
 A are 15 meters off and corrects their location.

 what is needed here is some tag, saying don't touch these
 coordinates, they've been surveyed with high(est) accuracy.

 I heard this argument from an pipeline expert, noting that marker
 surveyed with consumer GPS are (for their standards) way off their
 real location.

 maybe this is a non-issue after all, if consensus is that consumer
 GPS accuracy is sufficient enough.

 cu



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