Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 25/10/2015 15:06, Richard wrote: agreed. But this is open-STREET-map so perhaps the streets should be fixed first. Does not make much sense to map culverts with sub-meter precission while freeways are still linear ways. I'd respectively disagree with that - this is open-STREET-map in name o

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-28 Thread Richard
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:13:51AM +, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: > > >it is not that simple. Ways covered by objects are mapped as having shared > >nodes > >with the object covering them. > No, normally they _aren't_ mapped like this. Take a look at any number of > "waterway=stream;layer=-1;tu

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-28 Thread Richard
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 02:39:47PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:20:10AM +, Gerd Petermann wrote: > > I don't think that this is a strong point. > > Thinking about my own edits I'd say that the > > length could be +/- 4m because typically I just try to place > > the

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Gerd Petermann
I found another often used tag that seem to be (also) used for road markings : barrier=line (> 8000) Gerd Von: Tom Pfeifer Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2015 12:18 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Betreff: Re: [Tagging] when should highw

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Gerd Petermann
I think this is why I don't like to cycle along roads with closed white lines. Many car drivers seem to think that it is the larger sinn to cross the white line than to overtake with too small safety distance to the cyclist ;-) Gerd Von: Colin Smale Gesendet

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-10-28 13:58, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Wed Oct 28 10:51:34 2015 GMT, Colin Smale wrote: > >> In the UK a double white line does not mean no overtaking - it means >> don't cross the line (except in certain circumstances). Overtaking of >> one motorcycle by another motorcycle is not in

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed Oct 28 10:51:34 2015 GMT, Colin Smale wrote: > > > In the UK a double white line does not mean no overtaking - it means > don't cross the line (except in certain circumstances). Overtaking of > one motorcycle by another motorcycle is not in itself prohibited by the > double white line. Th

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Tom Pfeifer wrote on 2015-10-28 12:18: Thus we would need a new key as follows: =[single|double|dashed|etc] As the line might not always be in the centre, a better name would be welcome. carriageway_divider = [single|double|dashed|etc] ? Although the UK highway code also calls them Centre Li

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-28 11:51 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > In the UK a double white line does not mean no overtaking - it means don't > cross the line (except in certain circumstances). Overtaking of one > motorcycle by another motorcycle is not in itself prohibited by the double > white line. yes, actually in

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Tom Pfeifer
We need to distinguish two questions, which were mixed up in the previous discussion, namely a) should a centre line be mapped at all, b) if so, how should it be drawn and tagged. As for a), mapping certainly provides a value on a road with bidirectional traffic. We can map if it is a solid or d

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Colin Smale
In the UK a double white line does not mean no overtaking - it means don't cross the line (except in certain circumstances). Overtaking of one motorcycle by another motorcycle is not in itself prohibited by the double white line. The exception for overtaking slow moving vehicles basically only w

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

2015-10-28 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Jo wrote: > The tricky part is making a good proposal. Not overly hard for many of the > traffic signs, Quite a challenge for all the sub signs in the various > languages... which will probably take us back to the heavy discussion on "Aangelanden". :-/ regard

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-28 10:58 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes : > > * that overtaking is forbidden > True, but exceptions allow you to overtake slow moving vehicles. > in Germany the reason is, that "overtaking" very slow moving vehicles is not considered "overtaking", but it considered avoiding obstacles (or sth

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue Oct 27 21:01:30 2015 GMT, André Pirard wrote: . > > OSM will always surprise me. > > Here in Belgium, what is called the "white line" is of uttermost importance. > And I suppose in most other countries too. > I've been looking for it in vain in the wiki and now it surges. > But, first of a

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

2015-10-28 Thread Jo
If we can reach consensus on the use of traffic_sign_code, it would not be hard to perform a mechanical edit to move them over (and populate the traffic_sign) with human readable values. Such a script would not touch 'ambiguous' data, of course and leave that to humans. The tricky part is making

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

2015-10-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:48:46 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-10-28 7:12 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > > > Also, one may use for example traffic_sign_code to tag exact > > reference allowing for country specific data processing (for example > > [traffic_sign=oneway, traffic_sign_code=PL

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

2015-10-28 Thread Marc Gemis
Perhaps he (Jo) is referring to the no entrance sign on the other end of the oneway ? regards m On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 00:30:58 +0100 > Jo wrote: > > > Also keep in mind there are 2 'oneway' signs. A blue one that can be > > round or re

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

2015-10-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-28 7:12 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > Also, one may use for example traffic_sign_code to tag exact reference > allowing for country specific data processing (for example > [traffic_sign=oneway, traffic_sign_code=PL:D-3]). > one might use this tag traffic_sign_code=*, but it's not what

[Tagging] WG: when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Gerd Petermann
oops, forgot to cc the list... Von: Gerd Petermann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2015 07:42 An: André Pirard Betreff: AW: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used? I think you shoulld also look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:road_marking [