Re: [Tagging] Mapping pergolas/arbors

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 21 mag 2016, alle ore 18:52, Mark Bradley 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Since this tag is established, I'll use amenity=shelter, followed by 
> shelter_type=pergola


it isn't established, there are 0 occurrences of shelter_type=pergola

there are 4 building=Pergola and 2 pergola 

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping pergolas/arbors

[Dave Swarthout]

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Mark Bradley 
wrote:

> I'll use amenity=shelter, followed by shelter_type=pergola.
>
+1


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Re: [Tagging] Mapping pergolas/arbors

[Mark Bradley]

> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 08:12:12 +0200
> From: Marc Gemis 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
>   
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Mapping pergolas/arbors
> 
> Why not the established shelter_type [1], which is used over 69.000 times 
> according
> to taginfo [2]
> 
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type
> [2] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=shelter_type
> 
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 6:09 AM, David Swarthout 
> wrote:
> > I would discourage the use of type as a key here as it is used to
> > differentiate between relations. Suggest shelter:type or something similar.
> > Cheers
> > Dave



Okay.  Since this tag is established, I'll use amenity=shelter, followed by 
shelter_type=pergola.

Mark Bradley


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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 80, Issue 17, building digester

[St Niklaas]

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Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 20:37:07 +1000
From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] building=digester
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>Some 'greenhouses' are too low to enter- you simply raise the 'roof' to gain 
>access.

>Other 'greenhouses' are huge - tractors and trucks enter these.

>For me a 'building' must have sufficient volume for a person to enter with 
>ease.
>Dictionary definition? a 'substantial structure' whatever that means.

Do you mean that any substantial structure that can be entered is getting the 
building=yes tag ?
If I do agree

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Re: [Tagging] Should greenhouse et al have building=yes? (was building=digester)

[Andy Townsend]

On 21/05/2016 06:37, Marc Gemis wrote:

No, I wouldn't expect that, but I would expect e.g. windmill,
watermill and lighthouse to be displayed as building as well. I
couldn't find those in your style. I'm talking about mills where work
and living are often combined into one. Maybe this is a country
specific view ?


When I looked at the data (in the UK) those items either already had 
building=yes tagged on them or were just mapped as nodes (where a 
building tag is essentially irrelevant for rendering).


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Andy


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Re: [Tagging] building=digester

[Warin]

On 5/21/2016 4:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


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Il giorno 20 mag 2016, alle ore 23:21, Marc Zoutendijk  
ha scritto:

I was pointing out that what is true in one language may not be true (or even 
false) in another language.


if something is true in one language but not in another than it is likely not a 
translation but just a similar word/concept, or maybe even a "false friend".




Some 'greenhouses' are too low to enter- you simply raise the 'roof' to gain 
access.

Other 'greenhouses' are huge - tractors and trucks enter these.

For me a 'building' must have sufficient volume for a person to enter with ease.
Dictionary definition? a 'substantial structure' whatever that means.


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Re: [Tagging] Should greenhouse et al have building=yes? (was building=digester)

[Martin Simon]

If it's not a temporary structure (some greenhouses are only set up when
they are needed), it should be tagged as building=greenhouse, imho. As
Martin already noted, there are different types. Some are tent-like, some
have a rigid steel structure that supports itself.
Can I ask a silly question at this stage - taking something like a
greenhouse, would someone ever treat it differently depending on whether it
has a building tag or not?

In my case when trying to figure out how to render things like this the
answer was "no":

https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/style.lua#L608

but in some cases a building tag was used as a cue for some other rendering:

https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/style.lua#L1502

If a greenhouse is a greenhouse, regardless of whether or not it has a
building tag in OSM, surely it doesn't matter whether or not it is tagged
building=yes?

Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [Tagging] building=digester

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 20 mag 2016, alle ore 23:21, Marc Zoutendijk 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> I was pointing out that what is true in one language may not be true (or even 
> false) in another language.


if something is true in one language but not in another than it is likely not a 
translation but just a similar word/concept, or maybe even a "false friend".


cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Should greenhouse et al have building=yes? (was building=digester)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 21 mag 2016, alle ore 07:37, Marc Gemis  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> but I would expect e.g. windmill,
> watermill and lighthouse to be displayed as building as well


+1
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Re: [Tagging] Should greenhouse et al have building=yes? (was building=digester)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 21 mag 2016, alle ore 01:20, Andy Townsend  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> If a greenhouse is a greenhouse, regardless of whether or not it has a 
> building tag in OSM, surely it doesn't matter whether or not it is tagged 
> building=yes?


a greenhouse isn't a greenhouse, there are greenhouses and greenhouses, some of 
them are buildings some aren't (maybe), likely it can be suitable to render 
some greenhouses different than others. In the end it depends what you want to 
show in your rendering (whether all greenhouses are rendered the same or if you 
make some distinction).
But here we should focus on what to represent how in tagging, so that someone 
else can decide what he wants to show and how to style it.

The tag we are discussing is building=greenhouse not building=yes


cheers,
Martin 
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