[Tagging] Discarding converted_by

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

Hi!

Do we have any need for "converted_by"
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/converted_by#values or it could
be discarded while modifying an object, exactly what we already do
with "created_by" and some other tags? (ie, we won't mass remove the
tag, but only drop it while editing an object with this tag).

I am asking this because it seems to be as unimportant as created_by
(it doesn't add any useful information).

Thank you!

Best regards,
Nelson

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Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

[Warin]

On 23-Sep-16 07:09 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:

Oops - sent originally from wrong mailbox:

The Titanic musicians' cenotaph in Southhampton is a plaque set in a 
wall, but even it is made to look like a tomb set in the same wall.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/RMS_Titanic_Musician's_Memorial,_Southampton.jpg 



The Archibald Butt cenotaph in Arlington is an empty grave, rather 
than an empty tomb:


http://www.glts.org/memorials/dc/images/107_0710.jpg 



The Congressional Cemetery in Washington has monuments to 171 members 
of the U.S. Congress who died in office. They're all called 
'cenotaphs' in an abuse of terminology, since somewhere between fifty 
and eighty of them mark actual burial places. (The remainder truly are 
cenotaphs to individuals whose remains are interred elsewhere.) The 
Congressional ones from 1816 to 1876 are built to a standard design by 
Benjamin Latrobe.


https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/national_cemeteries/photos/list_of-sites2/054_Cenotaphs.jpg 

http://www.congressionalcemetery.org/pdf/Walking-Tours/Cenotaphs.pdf 



Generally, I would propose tagging anything as a 'cenotaph' only if it 
was built intending that it should be venerated as a surrogate for the 
final resting place of some person or persons whose remains lie 
elsewhere.


On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
> wrote:



2016-09-21 23:57 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
>:

Some resemble a tomb, some don't  some are statues, some
are plaques, some are columns.

Wikipedia has quite a few photos of some ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph


I suppose it depend on what you think a tomb looks like?



yes, I suppose so as well. To me, all of these Cenotaphs that WP
has an image for are looking like tombs. A "plaque" or "statue"
are no cenotaphs, do you have an example for one of these?



Given the variety of things that are tombs .. it is hard to get an 
architecture that is significantly different for a cenotaph. Both are 
for remembrance of the deceased so has similar functions so there form 
is similar too.
The difference is the location of the deceased remains. If co-located 
then it is a tomb/grave. If the locations are different then it is a 
cenotaph.


The OSM tagging problem maybe using the tag 'historic=' for a cenotaph 
where it may not be regarded as 'historic'? Is this the source of this 
discussion?
All the cenotaphs I know of are 'historic' but I can see that there 
maybe others that are viewed as not 'historic'.
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Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

[Kevin Kenny]

Oops - sent originally from wrong mailbox:

The Titanic musicians' cenotaph in Southhampton is a plaque set in a wall,
but even it is made to look like a tomb set in the same wall.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/RMS_
Titanic_Musician's_Memorial,_Southampton.jpg

The Archibald Butt cenotaph in Arlington is an empty grave, rather than an
empty tomb:

http://www.glts.org/memorials/dc/images/107_0710.jpg

The Congressional Cemetery in Washington has monuments to 171 members of
the U.S. Congress who died in office. They're all called 'cenotaphs' in an
abuse of terminology, since somewhere between fifty and eighty of them mark
actual burial places. (The remainder truly are cenotaphs to individuals
whose remains are interred elsewhere.) The Congressional ones from 1816 to
1876 are built to a standard design by Benjamin Latrobe.

https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/national_cemeteries/photos/
list_of-sites2/054_Cenotaphs.jpg
http://www.congressionalcemetery.org/pdf/Walking-Tours/Cenotaphs.pdf

Generally, I would propose tagging anything as a 'cenotaph' only if it was
built intending that it should be venerated as a surrogate for the final
resting place of some person or persons whose remains lie elsewhere.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> 2016-09-21 23:57 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Some resemble a tomb, some don't  some are statues, some are plaques,
>> some are columns.
>>
>> Wikipedia has quite a few photos of some ...
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph
>>
>> I suppose it depend on what you think a tomb looks like?
>>
>
>
> yes, I suppose so as well. To me, all of these Cenotaphs that WP has an
> image for are looking like tombs. A "plaque" or "statue" are no cenotaphs,
> do you have an example for one of these?
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-09-21 23:57 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

> Some resemble a tomb, some don't  some are statues, some are plaques,
> some are columns.
>
> Wikipedia has quite a few photos of some ...
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph
>
> I suppose it depend on what you think a tomb looks like?
>


yes, I suppose so as well. To me, all of these Cenotaphs that WP has an
image for are looking like tombs. A "plaque" or "statue" are no cenotaphs,
do you have an example for one of these?

Cheers,
Martin
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