On 23-Sep-16 07:09 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
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The Titanic musicians' cenotaph in Southhampton is a plaque set in a wall, but even it is made to look like a tomb set in the same wall.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/RMS_Titanic_Musician's_Memorial,_Southampton.jpg <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/RMS_Titanic_Musician%27s_Memorial,_Southampton.jpg>

The Archibald Butt cenotaph in Arlington is an empty grave, rather than an empty tomb:

http://www.glts.org/memorials/dc/images/107_0710.jpg <http://www.glts.org/memorials/dc/images/107_0710.jpg>

The Congressional Cemetery in Washington has monuments to 171 members of the U.S. Congress who died in office. They're all called 'cenotaphs' in an abuse of terminology, since somewhere between fifty and eighty of them mark actual burial places. (The remainder truly are cenotaphs to individuals whose remains are interred elsewhere.) The Congressional ones from 1816 to 1876 are built to a standard design by Benjamin Latrobe.

https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/national_cemeteries/photos/list_of-sites2/054_Cenotaphs.jpg <https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/national_cemeteries/photos/list_of-sites2/054_Cenotaphs.jpg> http://www.congressionalcemetery.org/pdf/Walking-Tours/Cenotaphs.pdf <http://www.congressionalcemetery.org/pdf/Walking-Tours/Cenotaphs.pdf>

Generally, I would propose tagging anything as a 'cenotaph' only if it was built intending that it should be venerated as a surrogate for the final resting place of some person or persons whose remains lie elsewhere.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com <mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    2016-09-21 23:57 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com

        Some resemble a tomb, some don't .... some are statues, some
        are plaques, some are columns.

        Wikipedia has quite a few photos of some ...

        I suppose it depend on what you think a tomb looks like?

    yes, I suppose so as well. To me, all of these Cenotaphs that WP
    has an image for are looking like tombs. A "plaque" or "statue"
    are no cenotaphs, do you have an example for one of these?

Given the variety of things that are tombs .. it is hard to get an architecture that is significantly different for a cenotaph. Both are for remembrance of the deceased so has similar functions so there form is similar too. The difference is the location of the deceased remains. If co-located then it is a tomb/grave. If the locations are different then it is a cenotaph.

The OSM tagging problem maybe using the tag 'historic=' for a cenotaph where it may not be regarded as 'historic'? Is this the source of this discussion? All the cenotaphs I know of are 'historic' but I can see that there maybe others that are viewed as not 'historic'.
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