Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-08 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 07:54:00 +1000 Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Possibly something like caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / Winnebago / > camper trailer etc, but then you get to the problem of what is > difference between a camper van, motorhome & Winnebago? In the (US) industry, the terminology fo

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

2019-01-08 Thread Marc Gemis
While I was first thinking of brand like Warin, I think this is the better solution. Just as, we do not map the share holders of companies (even when they are other companies) on shops, man_made=works object etc., we typically do not map properties of the operator (besides brand). m. On Tue, Jan

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

2019-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jan 2019, at 19:08, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Are these "access" tags, in the sense that (in the example) the kindergarten > only accepts Roman Catholic children, or is it only indicating the religious > background of the institution, but they accept children with o

Re: [Tagging] service

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Poole
No magic, the preset has curated values for the subtags (which is naturally possible in iD too) most of them have historically been gleaned from the wiki or from actual use.  The upside and the downside of this is that they are curated, so there is always a certain lag between a value being used in

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Poole
Am 08.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > ... > With current tools there is no tag completion for the individual > values in lists, while the alternative already works. > Value completion has for lists has woked since ages in Vespucci (you normally would use the form interface where yo

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

2019-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jan 2019, at 14:35, Simon Poole wrote: > > I'm not convinced that we really want to model such a level of detail in the > first place, but using a small set of common keys for facilities with similar > purpose has obvious advantages over a multitude of special purpo

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

2019-01-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 23:36, Simon Poole wrote: > I'm not convinced that we really want to model such a level of detail in > the first place, > Agree with you there! If the place is a shop=tyres, isn't that really all that OSM needs to say? After that, isn't it up to "you" to make a simple phon

Re: [Tagging] How do you say "no" with semicolon'ed lists? Re: Facts and opinions

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Poole
Am 08.01.2019 um 16:25 schrieb Rory McCann: > On 08/01/2019 08:30, Simon Poole wrote: >> and yes you could even document that something is -not- sold in a >> structured fashion. > > How do you do that? To me "sells:blah=no" is clear: that blahs are, by > default, sold in this type of thing, but ar

Re: [Tagging] How do you say "no" with semicolon'ed lists? Re: Facts and opinions

2019-01-08 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 15:27, Rory McCann wrote: > > How do you do that? To me "sells:blah=no" is clear: that blahs are, by > default, sold in this type of thing, but aren't here. Is there a > standard way to do that with semicolon'ed values? > Yes. You list all the things that are sold there an

[Tagging] How do you say "no" with semicolon'ed lists? Re: Facts and opinions

2019-01-08 Thread Rory McCann
On 08/01/2019 08:30, Simon Poole wrote: and yes you could even document that something is -not- sold in a structured fashion. How do you do that? To me "sells:blah=no" is clear: that blahs are, by default, sold in this type of thing, but aren't here. Is there a standard way to do that with se

Re: [Tagging] service

2019-01-08 Thread Bryan Housel
> On Jan 8, 2019, at 2:30 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > Am 07.01.2019 um 16:12 schrieb Bryan Housel: >> ... >> On “both is OK”. the `service:vehicle` issue was because we can’t use the >> same key `service=*` to contain both things like `tyres` (a few thousands) >> and `driveway` (a few millions).

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Poole
Inconsistent tagging is inconsistent tagging, don't think that is really relevant for this discussion, inconsistent tagging schemes however are on topic. I'm not convinced that we really want to model such a level of detail in the first place, but using a small set of common keys for facilities wi

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

2019-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 8. Jan. 2019 um 08:31 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole : > To hypothesize on some of the stuff floating around, obviously there is > a desire to document exactly what kind of stuff a shop sells, so people > have proposed stuff like > > motorcycle:tyres=yes > > service:tyres:car=yes > > service:bicy

[Tagging] OSM Notes too! Re: Changeset tag for issue closing

2019-01-08 Thread Rory McCann
On 07/01/2019 23:51, Bryan Housel wrote: So I’m thinking of introducing changeset tags like “closes:x=123;456;789” where x can be a tracking service like “keepright”, “osmose”, “improveosm”, “maproulette” or any other issue tracker we want to connect iD to. This is a good idea! You co

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think we need to map peninsulas in three ways, as nodes, areas, and ways. Areas when the land border is obvious. Nodes for little ones, when you don't have time to draw an area and the shape of the peninsula is obvious. Then there are ways, when the peninsula is huge, or when the land border isn

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

2019-01-08 Thread Topographe Fou
Personnaly I don't think I would map umbrella organisations... I would put operator and operator:wikidata and let Wikidata update partnerships between associations. It is not a property of the kindergarten, it is a property of the operator. LeTopographeFou   Message original   De: t.pfei...@co