Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=power_supply
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 15:40, Michael Brandtner via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I didn't really want to include device charging into this, but it seems > that my tag is too generic to prevent that. Maybe I should stop trying to > combine the power supplies at camping grounds and marinas and instead go > with amenity=shorepower? > Maybe, maybe not? In the discussion about tourism=camp_pitch https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_pitch, it was mentioned that when / if that get's through, next step would be to look at further features of each individual pitch / site, such as whether or not it has power. Initial thoughts were simply power=yes. Some of the points raised on your proposal re types of socket / plug would work in nicely with that idea! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=power_supply
I didn't really want to include device charging into this, but it seems that my tag is too generic to prevent that. Maybe I should stop trying to combine the power supplies at camping grounds and marinas and instead go with amenity=shorepower? Am So., Juni 23, 2019 at 3:44 schrieb Warin<61sundow...@gmail.com>: ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=power_supply
On 23/06/19 01:39, Michael Brandtner via Tagging wrote: Thank you for your comments so far. I've now written a proposal. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/amenity%3Dpower_supply The definition (wording can surely be improved): " A place where you can get electrical power." This could be applied to an airport that provides USB charging ports at table/desk/chair . I've not taken into account your discussion about different socket types. This would be the topic for a different proposal about improving the power_supply= sub-tag. But this proposal is only about establishing the new main tag. Unfortunately the connection will be a vital detail for most. e.g. Some items can be charged from a USB post others cannot. I would think that there needs to be one tag for the connection 'detail'. It needs to be able to be applied to any tag where the connection detail is to be tagged. At the moment there are 2 keys for this detail https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:socket and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power_supply These should be combined into one universal sub key that could be applied to any feature. -- I think most map users will be after a USB power port to charge their phone! So that should be a priority and something that should be mentioned on your proposal as it will then get a lot of attention. I think you will find that the socket type is a vital detail and needs to be addressed. Minor detail: The order of the 'usefull combination' can be better. Access, fee and socket type should be at the top. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply
On 22/06/19 19:16, Colin Smale wrote: On 2019-06-22 10:20, Michael Brandtner via Tagging wrote: I've found this Wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorepower There is no shore power tag in OSM yet. But now I'm uncertain if we should also make a difference between shore power and power supply for other uses. The (intended) usage is a separate concept from the mechanical and electrical characteristics of the socket/supply. How about usage=shore_power or usage=vehicle_charging as a start? Shore power for campers will inevitably be used to recharge large batteries, but maybe not the traction batteries if it's electrically propelled. +1 to separate the usage from the item. 'Shore power' is not at battery voltage. The vast majority will be for smaller ships/boats and will be similar to normal domestic power, probably with some weather proofing. In Australia the camp site power connections could well be the same connection. Only large international ocean gong craft would have power requirements that are larger than a domestic household would require larger connections. Aircraft too can have an external electrical power connection. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
Le 22.06.19 à 10:31, bkil a écrit : > I wonder why nobody has created a gateway > to merge all discussions nabble.com/ do the job (but you can only merge ml/forum only ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag
My answer reflected on Paul's suggestion of introducing yet another term (fare=*) to more closely match common vocabulary. I wouldn't recommend merging tolls, sorry if you read it like that. On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:10 AM Colin Smale wrote: > On 2019-06-22 10:38, bkil wrote: > > If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is > isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context. > > > Only insofar as they indicate that the user has to pay. "Toll" has a > distinct meaning, in the UK at least, that it is (and needs to be) > sanctioned by law. > > > As all of them could > be understood by native speakers and fee=* covers a more general > category, it is clearly the better choice. If we consider our data > users, non-native speakers and learning curve, the less terms we use > in our vocabulary, the better. > > > "As simple as possible, but not simpler". Attributed to Albert Einstein, > and a philosophy I wholeheartedly embrace. If it is required to be able to > make the distinction between a charge levied based on a legal sanction, and > a charge simply levied by the owner because they feel like it, then the > subtle difference between "toll" and the other words is significant. If we > all agree that the distinction is not to be represented in OSM, then this > discussion is moot - call it something neutral like payment, fee, charge, > whatever. This process is called data modelling; the modelling aspect comes > from the fact that you have to make compromises, and you have to choose > which compromises to make according to what is important to you. Otherwise > you are just replicating reality at full scale, which defeats the point of > modelling. > > As this is OSM, it only takes one person to want to make this distinction > to unchain interminable discussions... > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:20 AM Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 01:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Oxford Dictionary says > > Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road. > > Yep. Also, in the UK, carries legal implications. Legislation is > required to require tolls on a > public highway. > > Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or > public body in exchange for advice or services. > > That's how I'd use it. Of course, ferries provide a ferry service, so fee > could be used. But I'd go > with something else: fare. We don't talk of rail tolls or rail fees, we > talk of rail fares. We don't talk > of air tolls or air fees, we talk of air fares. From OED online: "The > money paid for a journey on > public transport." > > -- > Paul > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=power_supply
Thank you for your comments so far. I've now written a proposal. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/amenity%3Dpower_supply The definition (wording can surely be improved):" A place where you can get electrical power." I've not taken into account your discussion about different socket types. This would be the topic for a different proposal about improving the power_supply= sub-tag. But this proposal is only about establishing the new main tag. I'm looking forward to your comments! ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 02:28, marc marc wrote: socket key is probably the most successful but for charging stations, > the information is missing if it is a plug or a plug at the end of a > cable on the terminal side. > Terminology gets messy. Different parts of the world and different industries give the terms different meanings. 1) Contact shape. For most common connectors, there is an analogy between contact shape and sexual organs, so male contacts go into female contacts. By some definitions, male contacts = plug, female contacts = socket, regardless of other factors (but see point 2). 2) Fixed or free. Fixed connectors are receptacles. The free connector is often known as a plug, regardless of the contact style. In the US the fixed connector is also known as a jack whereas in the UK it's the fixed connector that is known as a jack. The term "jack" should be avoided. By some definitions, fixed connector = socket, free connector = plug, regardless of other factors (but see point 1). 3) It is possible for the fixed receptacle (a socket as per definition 1) to have male contacts (a plug as per definition 2). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_connectors_and_fasteners#Electrical_and_electronic where it shows a female VGA receptacle and a male DE-9 receptacle. Both are chassis- mounted D-type connectors, one with male contacts the other with female contacts. Are they both sockets (as per point 2) or one plug and one socket (as per point 1)? 4) Generally, the side of a connector pair that carries dangerous voltages should be female to make it harder for somebody to accidentally touch live parts. However, it is possible to get connectors with shrouded male contacts. So the free connector of a power supply to have female contacts (a socket as per point 1) it might have shrouded male contacts (a plug as per point 1). 5) You can get hermaphroditic connectors. Not only are the contacts hermaphroditic, but so are the housings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Powerpole and http://www.edac.net/product-details-233-case-study-6 It may be better to tag them as connector=* rather than socket=* or plug=* because even experts (in different fields of the electrical/electronic industry and or different countries) will disagree on whether something is a plug or socket. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 01:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Wow, what a nightmare! > Yep. New tag needed: nightmare=*. Here, if a camping ground / caravan park has power to a site, it will be a > standard layout Oz plug, but rated at 15A, not 10, so you will need a 15A > lead to connect to it, but that's it! > No! That relies upon the intelligence of the user to select the correct lead for the task. *That* is a a real nightmare. Don't have the correct connector? Tough. Don't have the correctly-rated cable? Use the one you have anyway and watch it catch fire if there's a fault. Cable sizes and breaker/fuse ratings/delays are generally specified that under fault conditions the cable doesn't catch fire (in fact, the purpose of the breaker/fuse isn't to protect the equipment but to protect the cable). How on earth did they decide to permit that situation? Here's another thing to consider. One day, Oz might decide that 10A/15A thing is not a good idea and decide to sanction the use of another type of connector for camp site hook-ups. CEE 17 blue or NEMA 5-15, maybe. And then, if you know the camp site has power hookups but don't know the type... However we end up tagging these things, we need to allow for "it has a power hook-up but the connector type is unknown." -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag
Colin Smale, this is a very wise thing to say. I think this is often a missing element in tagging discussions. Is there a tagging suggestion guidelines page on the wiki? If yes, this is definitely one point that should be added. And if not, maybe we (people on the mailing list) should create one: Not too set up rules, but just to get everyone on the same page regarding what a good tag design is. On June 22, 2019 11:03:31 AM GMT+02:00, Colin Smale wrote: >On 2019-06-22 10:38, bkil wrote: > >> If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is >> isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context. > >Only insofar as they indicate that the user has to pay. "Toll" has a >distinct meaning, in the UK at least, that it is (and needs to be) >sanctioned by law. > >> As all of them could >> be understood by native speakers and fee=* covers a more general >> category, it is clearly the better choice. If we consider our data >> users, non-native speakers and learning curve, the less terms we use >> in our vocabulary, the better. > >"As simple as possible, but not simpler". Attributed to Albert >Einstein, >and a philosophy I wholeheartedly embrace. If it is required to be able >to make the distinction between a charge levied based on a legal >sanction, and a charge simply levied by the owner because they feel >like >it, then the subtle difference between "toll" and the other words is >significant. If we all agree that the distinction is not to be >represented in OSM, then this discussion is moot - call it something >neutral like payment, fee, charge, whatever. This process is called >data >modelling; the modelling aspect comes from the fact that you have to >make compromises, and you have to choose which compromises to make >according to what is important to you. Otherwise you are just >replicating reality at full scale, which defeats the point of >modelling. > > >As this is OSM, it only takes one person to want to make this >distinction to unchain interminable discussions... > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:20 AM Paul Allen >wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 01:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The Oxford Dictionary says >> >> Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road. >> >> Yep. Also, in the UK, carries legal implications. Legislation is >required to require tolls on a >> public highway. >> >> Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or >public body in exchange for advice or services. >> >> That's how I'd use it. Of course, ferries provide a ferry service, >so fee could be used. But I'd go >> with something else: fare. We don't talk of rail tolls or rail fees, >we talk of rail fares. We don't talk >> of air tolls or air fees, we talk of air fares. From OED online: >"The money paid for a journey on >> public transport." >> >> -- >> Paul >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply
On 2019-06-22 10:20, Michael Brandtner via Tagging wrote: > I've found this Wikipedia page: > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorepower > > There is no shore power tag in OSM yet. But now I'm uncertain if we should > also make a difference between shore power and power supply for other uses. The (intended) usage is a separate concept from the mechanical and electrical characteristics of the socket/supply. How about usage=shore_power or usage=vehicle_charging as a start? Shore power for campers will inevitably be used to recharge large batteries, but maybe not the traction batteries if it's electrically propelled.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag
On 2019-06-22 10:38, bkil wrote: > If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is > isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context. Only insofar as they indicate that the user has to pay. "Toll" has a distinct meaning, in the UK at least, that it is (and needs to be) sanctioned by law. > As all of them could > be understood by native speakers and fee=* covers a more general > category, it is clearly the better choice. If we consider our data > users, non-native speakers and learning curve, the less terms we use > in our vocabulary, the better. "As simple as possible, but not simpler". Attributed to Albert Einstein, and a philosophy I wholeheartedly embrace. If it is required to be able to make the distinction between a charge levied based on a legal sanction, and a charge simply levied by the owner because they feel like it, then the subtle difference between "toll" and the other words is significant. If we all agree that the distinction is not to be represented in OSM, then this discussion is moot - call it something neutral like payment, fee, charge, whatever. This process is called data modelling; the modelling aspect comes from the fact that you have to make compromises, and you have to choose which compromises to make according to what is important to you. Otherwise you are just replicating reality at full scale, which defeats the point of modelling. As this is OSM, it only takes one person to want to make this distinction to unchain interminable discussions... > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:20 AM Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 01:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Oxford Dictionary says > > Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road. > > Yep. Also, in the UK, carries legal implications. Legislation is required > to require tolls on a > public highway. > > Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or public > body in exchange for advice or services. > > That's how I'd use it. Of course, ferries provide a ferry service, so fee > could be used. But I'd go > with something else: fare. We don't talk of rail tolls or rail fees, we talk > of rail fares. We don't talk > of air tolls or air fees, we talk of air fares. From OED online: "The money > paid for a journey on > public transport." > > -- > Paul > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag
On 22/06/19 18:38, bkil wrote: If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context. As all of them could be understood by native speakers and fee=* covers a more general category, it is clearly the better choice. If we consider our data users, non-native speakers and learning curve, the less terms we use in our vocabulary, the better. +1. Unite them all under one tag? charge=yes/no/* ... (one ring to rule them all ... etc) On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:20 AM Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 01:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: The Oxford Dictionary says Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road. Yep. Also, in the UK, carries legal implications. Legislation is required to require tolls on a public highway. Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or public body in exchange for advice or services. That's how I'd use it. Of course, ferries provide a ferry service, so fee could be used. But I'd go with something else: fare. We don't talk of rail tolls or rail fees, we talk of rail fares. We don't talk of air tolls or air fees, we talk of air fares. From OED online: "The money paid for a journey on public transport." -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
👍 On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:48 AM Satoshi IIDA wrote: > > As my small contribution, switched to changing_table in a baby care > proposal page~ > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/babycare > > > > 2019年6月17日(月) 5:44 Rory : > >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:14:59 +0200, Valor Naram wrote: >> > the proposal at >> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table >> has >> > been accepted now and I can start with the post-vote process and >> > creating a wiki page. The property Key:changing_table success the >> > Key:diaper for now but we or at least I have to deal with the question >> > "What's going on with the diaper key". The answer seems clear: >> > Key:diaper is now superseded by Key:changing_table. While it's the part >> > you CAN definetly answer with ease. The second part properly not. "What >> > do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" >> > >> > I am very excited about hearing your ideas since some of you noted that >> > just replacing the diaper key and its values with the key and the values >> > of the new key can be problematic. >> >> I suggest finding data consumers (people/apps/sites/software which uses >> the existing `diaper` tag), and talking to them about supporting the new >> `changing_table` tag. Likewise talk to data contributors (editing >> software) and talk them into supporting your new scheme. >> >> I really don't think a mechanical edit to change all is a good idea. You >> can't rely on all data consumers to read all lists & wiki pages, and you >> risk a data consumer re-adding the `diaper` tag. >> >> If no-one's using the `diaper` tag, then why not make or encourage data >> consumers to support it? >> >> Rory >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > -- > Satoshi IIDA > mail: nyamp...@gmail.com > twitter: @nyampire > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag
If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context. As all of them could be understood by native speakers and fee=* covers a more general category, it is clearly the better choice. If we consider our data users, non-native speakers and learning curve, the less terms we use in our vocabulary, the better. On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:20 AM Paul Allen wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 01:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The Oxford Dictionary says >> >> Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road. > > > Yep. Also, in the UK, carries legal implications. Legislation is required > to require tolls on a > public highway. > >> Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or public >> body in exchange for advice or services. > > > That's how I'd use it. Of course, ferries provide a ferry service, so fee > could be used. But I'd go > with something else: fare. We don't talk of rail tolls or rail fees, we talk > of rail fares. We don't talk > of air tolls or air fees, we talk of air fares. From OED online: "The money > paid for a journey on > public transport." > > -- > Paul > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
We should probably list the OSM Forum as well then. OSM Help also uses your OSM credentials. OSM IRC channels do not need credentials - a random alias is sufficient. The OSMF link seems to be more about donations than giving a hand. I'd funnel using these two categories: Primary: * OSM Help * OSM Forum * OSM Talk mailing list * OSM IRC channel Secondary: * Reddit * Facebook * Telegram * Discord * Twitter * OSMF website Although, I wonder why nobody has created a gateway to merge all discussions to a single platform (or at most two platforms). On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 8:08 AM Peter Elderson wrote: > > You can use your OSM account to access the osm-forum > https://forum.openstreetmap.org/ > > Vr gr Peter Elderson > > > Op vr 21 jun. 2019 om 06:26 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick > : >> >> >> >> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 20:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> in parts of the world for which no particular national/regional >>> resources have been defined, the "id" editor will suggest to get in >>> touch with "us" and/or other mappers through: >>> >>> * Reddit >>> * Facebook >>> * Telegram >>> * Discord >>> * Twitter >>> * OSM help >>> * OSM IRC channel >>> * OSMF website >> >> >> This is sort of a continuance of the conversations following Simon's post >> last week about too much traffic on the list! >> >> The problem I have with most of those options (Reddit, Facebook, Discord, >> Twitter, & also the mailing lists) is that you need to sign-up to them. I >> don't know IRC works & I don't even know what Telegram is! >> >> As someone said last week, it would be good if the simple act of creating an >> OSM account to edit the map, also gave you access to the "forum" or >> whatever, to ask for help, give advice to others, discuss new tags, have >> local conversations & so on. >> >> Personally, I think that we should be making much more use of the existing >> Help forum, with a complete redesign of the first page, to break things up >> into "lounges", as per other forums eg http://fordforums.com.au/index.php >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply
I've found this Wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorepower There is no shore power tag in OSM yet. But now I'm uncertain if we should also make a difference between shore power and power supply for other uses. Am Fr., Juni 21, 2019 at 14:21 schrieb Michael Brandtner via Tagging: Hi, I'm thinking about (and in fact, have already used about two times) a new tag: amenity=power_supply. It is meant for mapping places where you can get electrical power for a fee. They can be found at camping grounds and harbours. They have sockets you can use to get power and you can pay with a special card that you can buy at a shop (or maybe sometimes with credit cards or even coins, I'm not sure about that). The tagging scheme for this wouldn't really be new. You create a node at the location of the machine, similar how we already map amenity=water_point. For additional information about sockets etc., the already established tag power_supply=* can be used. Please note that this is not an amenity=charging_station. These devices are not meant for charging vehicles but for getting power for your boat or caravan while staying at a harbour or camping ground. By the way, the tag is not my invention. At the moment, it is already used 56 times. Do you think this is a good idea? I'd like to get your comments before starting an actual proposal process. Michael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply
This is what you are looking for, it has been used 160 times: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddevice_charging_station Although, I'd probably just unify this with amenity=charging_station and always specify the socket type and voltage. You should only navigate to a charging station that has a compatible socket anyway. I usually mark the available sockets using power_supply=* on cafes and pubs where I can charge my computer or phone without guilt. It can be useful for both mapping parties and drone photography. On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 6:59 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 22/06/19 11:24, marc marc wrote: > >> waiting areas often have specific locations > >> to charge electronic devices. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aamenity%3Ddevice_charging_station > > > > > amenity=charging_station <> amenity=power_supply > > > > some normal electrical outlets allow cars to be charged > > and some charging terminals use normal outlets. > > > > I think we're gonna to do it in two proposals: > > - get amenity=power_supply adopted > > - try to harmonize how the type of socket/plug is described. > > socket key is probably the most successful but for charging stations, > > the information is missing if it is a plug or a plug at the end of a > > cable on the terminal side. > > What is really being tagged here? > > The socket. > > So tag "electrical_socket=USB/*"?? > That clearly says what it is, not a power generating station or some other > thing that could be construed in to a 'power supply'. > > Add tags access=customers/* fee=no/yes/* and > for the detailed types of mappers voltage=*, frequency=*. > The type of socket will usually determine the maximum current/power so I'd > not tag that. > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
