My answer reflected on Paul's suggestion of introducing yet another term (fare=*) to more closely match common vocabulary. I wouldn't recommend merging tolls, sorry if you read it like that.
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:10 AM Colin Smale <[email protected]> wrote: > On 2019-06-22 10:38, bkil wrote: > > If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is > isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context. > > > Only insofar as they indicate that the user has to pay. "Toll" has a > distinct meaning, in the UK at least, that it is (and needs to be) > sanctioned by law. > > > As all of them could > be understood by native speakers and fee=* covers a more general > category, it is clearly the better choice. If we consider our data > users, non-native speakers and learning curve, the less terms we use > in our vocabulary, the better. > > > "As simple as possible, but not simpler". Attributed to Albert Einstein, > and a philosophy I wholeheartedly embrace. If it is required to be able to > make the distinction between a charge levied based on a legal sanction, and > a charge simply levied by the owner because they feel like it, then the > subtle difference between "toll" and the other words is significant. If we > all agree that the distinction is not to be represented in OSM, then this > discussion is moot - call it something neutral like payment, fee, charge, > whatever. This process is called data modelling; the modelling aspect comes > from the fact that you have to make compromises, and you have to choose > which compromises to make according to what is important to you. Otherwise > you are just replicating reality at full scale, which defeats the point of > modelling. > > As this is OSM, it only takes one person to want to make this distinction > to unchain interminable discussions... > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:20 AM Paul Allen <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 01:33, Warin <[email protected]> wrote: > The Oxford Dictionary says > > Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road. > > Yep. Also, in the UK, carries legal implications. Legislation is > required to require tolls on a > public highway. > > Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or > public body in exchange for advice or services. > > That's how I'd use it. Of course, ferries provide a ferry service, so fee > could be used. But I'd go > with something else: fare. We don't talk of rail tolls or rail fees, we > talk of rail fares. We don't talk > of air tolls or air fees, we talk of air fares. From OED online: "The > money paid for a journey on > public transport." > > -- > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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