Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

[Cartographer10 via Tagging]

Thanks for the reminder, I had a busy week so I didn't have time to change it.
Here it is 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Announce_proposals_on_the_new_forum



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> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 07:06:10 +0100 (CET), Cartographer10 via Tagging 
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>> Thanks for the reminder. I indeed forgot to update the title after i changed 
>> the proposal. Will do that soon.
>>
>>> But before we get that far, I recommend that the proposal's title be 
>>> adjusted slightly. The current title implies that discussions would start 
>>> "moving" to the new forums, which implies a loss of activity here. That's 
>>> no longer on the table, so "Announce proposals to the new forum" would 
>>> suffice.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Dimitar]

> What evidence do you have that is the case?  What is being provided 
is energy, not power.


From Cambridge dictionary:
power - electricity, especially when considering its use or production
energy - the power from something such as electricity or oil that can do 
work, such as providing light and heat

From Meram-Webster
power - a source or means of supplying energy
energy - usable power (such as heat or electricity)

> ...and if we mean electricity, why not use that in the tag?

Because the current value has been documented by someone in 2016 when it 
had about 100 uses or less.


> A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than one 
service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides both 
electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically energy 
too).  In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility provides 
electricity, water, sewer, and internet.


> That's something which is not common in Europe. The only close such 
case is an power company (EVN) which operates power infrastructure, 
heating infrastructure and sells power in the same area but these 
activities are separated in subsidiaries. Is that the case in the US or 
Xcel does not have subsidiaries for the different economic activities?


> There is no subsidiary.

Then using office=utility + utility=gas;power might be a good idea. What 
do you think?


On 18/11/2022 23:51, Mike Thompson wrote:



On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM Dimitar  wrote:

Energy and power are used quite interchangeably and power is the
better word for it.

What evidence do you have that is the case?  What is being provided is 
energy, not power.

...and if we mean electricity, why not use that in the tag?


> A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than
one service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides
both electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically
energy too).  In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned
utility provides electricity, water, sewer, and internet.

That's something which is not common in Europe. The only close
such case is an power company (EVN) which operates power
infrastructure, heating infrastructure and sells power in the same
area but these activities are separated in subsidiaries. Is that
the case in the US or Xcel does not have subsidiaries for the
different economic activities?

There is no subsidiary.

Mike

On 18/11/2022 23:31, Mike Thompson wrote:

Technically what the electric utility is selling is energy, not
power.  One gets billed for kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts.  See
[0].  However, colloquially, the terms power and energy when it
comes to electric utilities are used interchangeably, although
"power company" seems to be favored vs. "energy company" in the
US where I live. If we want to be clear, why not
office=electric_utility (if that is what we mean)?

A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than
one service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides
both electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically
energy too).  In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned
utility provides electricity, water, sewer, and internet.

Mike


[0] https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Energy_vs_power

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:56 PM Dimitar
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Hello.

I’m

[proposing](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_utility_office)

to introduce a new tag for power utility offices
(office=power_utility)
and deprecate the existing one (office=energy_supplier). The
rationale
behind this idea is that energy_supplier can be confusing to
most people.


Please comment wherever you feel most comfortable:

* Here
* On the wiki talk page
* On the community forum


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

[Minh Nguyen]

Vào lúc 17:39 2022-11-18, Matija Nalis đã viết:

That way, maximum reach will be accomplished, and all "people could decide for
themselves where they wish to communicate". So instead of say 30 messages on
tagging mailing list for some proposal, we can have 5 messages on tagging ML, 2
on Discourse, 4 on telegram (1-2 in each of the groups), 2 on Discord, 3 on
IRC, 3 on Matrix, 2 on Mastodon, 2 on Slack, 2 on Reddit, 2 on facebook,
1 on twitter and 2 on OSM Diary of proposer. Do you spot the problem here?
Because I do.


No one has seriously proposed to make a Twitter announcement part of the 
standard operating procedure for RfCs or votes, whereas someone did 
seriously propose Discourse. Even a slippery slope can have some tactile 
paving. ;-)



I'd rather that Tagging ML + Discourse Tagging category become properly
integrated (i.e. that one participate using EITHER channel, and see all
comments from BOTH channels) - as I noted in linked github issue on proposal
talk page.

Like, for example, I'm reading and writing this on NNTP (Usenet News) gateway
news.gmane.io, which *is* properly integrated with tagging mailing list.
Everything I write here, people will see in their Mail clients, and everything
they reply I will see in my News client.


I'm writing this from Thunderbird hooked up to Gmane's NNTP gateway. I 
set it up over a decade ago and never again subscribed to a Mailman list 
in the normal way when I had a choice. I even enjoyed using Gmane's Web 
interface back when it was still online.


Yet I recognize that such an arcane configuration cannot possibly get us 
closer to a goal of ensuring that tagging discussions reach and engage a 
broad cross section of ordinary mappers and data consumers. That must be 
our goal; otherwise, the most electorally successful tagging proposal 
could still fail to gain traction among the audiences that matter most, 
undermining the proposal process. Any temporary fragmentation ahead of a 
vote would be secondary to that problem.



That same level of integration could (hopefully will?) be accomplished with
Discourse - so people will see the SAME messages whether there use Discourse
HTTPS, Email SMTP, or News NNTP interface.

Which solves the whole issue, without raising tensions. Win-win for everyone.


As a baby step, I just set up an "abuse filter" on the wiki that will 
tag any change to the |status=, |draftStartDate=, |rfcStartDate=, 
|voteStartDate=, or |voteEndDate= parameters on a feature proposal page. 
Rest assured, editing one of these parameters won't send you to the 
headmaster's office for abusing any privileges, but you can filter 
Special:RecentChanges, Special:Watchlist, etc. to show only these changes:




and you can click the "Atom" link in the sidebar to get a feed to add to 
your feed reader. I've taken the liberty of subscribing OSMUS Slack's 
#proposals channel to this feed. Perhaps someone can even set up a bot 
on Twitter, while that's still a thing.


This isn't quite what either of us are envisioning, and I personally 
don't consider RSS feeds to replace that human touch. But it could make 
it easier for some of us to keep track of proposals. If the feed gets 
noisy, let me know and I can tighten up the abuse filter's rules.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 11:43, Matija Nalis <
mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote:

> Do you spot the problem here?
> Because I do.
>

Certainly do!

Going back to what I mentioned earlier:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 08:21, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
> So far, there have been 23 responses to Tagging, the original message
> received one "like" in Discourse, & there's been a single response on one
> of the 3 talk pages.
>

I've since posed another couple of questions on tagging, repeated to the
Community, & commented on the Talk pages.

Total posts are now 25 on Tagging, now up to 4 "likes" (but no comments) on
the Community & still only 1 comment over the 3 talk pages.

As OP, am I supposed to copy all those 25 posts from Tagging & repost them
to the other spots to make sure that nobody is missing out on what is being
said?

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

[Matija Nalis]

Have you managed to do it yet? Could you post the URL, if so?

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 07:06:10 +0100 (CET), Cartographer10 via Tagging 
 wrote:
> Thanks for the reminder. I indeed forgot to update the title after i changed 
> the proposal. Will do that soon.
>
>> But before we get that far, I recommend that the proposal's title be 
>> adjusted slightly. The current title implies that discussions would start 
>> "moving" to the new forums, which implies a loss of activity here. That's no 
>> longer on the table, so "Announce proposals to the new forum" would suffice.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

[Matija Nalis]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 08:49:46 -0500, Brian M. Sperlongano  
wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 2:49 AM Marc_marc  wrote:
>> We can see it with the osm-fr experience: the immature forum has split
>> the community, far from federating
>
> Thank you for clearly describing the root cause of your objection.
>
> In my opinion, it is better to let people decide for themselves where they
> wish to communicate.

If it is indeed better (which I personally am not convinced), then why not
change the proposal to ask that, in addition to the tagging mailing list,
proposal might (or should?) be announced at *as many contact channels as
possible* of those listed at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contact_channels
(and the proponents should monitor all of them where they posted, and 
incorporete 
ideas from then on wiki proposal page).

That way, maximum reach will be accomplished, and all "people could decide for
themselves where they wish to communicate". So instead of say 30 messages on
tagging mailing list for some proposal, we can have 5 messages on tagging ML, 2
on Discourse, 4 on telegram (1-2 in each of the groups), 2 on Discord, 3 on
IRC, 3 on Matrix, 2 on Mastodon, 2 on Slack, 2 on Reddit, 2 on facebook,
1 on twitter and 2 on OSM Diary of proposer. Do you spot the problem here? 
Because I do.

So, I still think that the more channels, the less useful the exchange of ideas
will be, due to fragmentation. Even with "only" wiki talk page + tagging
mailing list (current situation), the disconnect is quite bad (and were it not
for few people pulling double-hours on both channels, would be very bad).
Increasing that fragmentation by another 50% does not sound like good idea to
me. We should work toward *reducing* that fragmentation, not encouraging
increasing it.

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I'd rather that Tagging ML + Discourse Tagging category become properly
integrated (i.e. that one participate using EITHER channel, and see all
comments from BOTH channels) - as I noted in linked github issue on proposal
talk page.

Like, for example, I'm reading and writing this on NNTP (Usenet News) gateway
news.gmane.io, which *is* properly integrated with tagging mailing list.
Everything I write here, people will see in their Mail clients, and everything
they reply I will see in my News client.

That same level of integration could (hopefully will?) be accomplished with
Discourse - so people will see the SAME messages whether there use Discourse
HTTPS, Email SMTP, or News NNTP interface. 

Which solves the whole issue, without raising tensions. Win-win for everyone.

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Re: [Tagging] care services

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 08:45, Matija Nalis <
mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote:

>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=gardener
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=cleaning


The problem with using the various craft= tags, is that a lot of these sort
of home-assistance organisations, don't provide services to the general
public, only to those people who qualify for home-care assistance.

Thanks

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[Tagging] Forum Discussion: Changing RFC time for proposals containing deprecation

[Dian Ågesson]

Hey list,

I have started a conversation that may be of interest on the community 
forum. I am cross posting it here as I know many are still transitioning 
to the new platform.


https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/changing-rfc-time-for-proposals-including-deprecation/5661

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Mike Thompson]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 3:05 PM Matija Nalis <
mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote:

>
> Also, if being advanced consumer with higher power limits, you ALSO (in
> addition to
> two things above) have to pay for reactive power too, according to
> cos(phi)
> (beware of those inductive loads like compressors in air conditioners /
> heat pumps!
> Cheapest tiers luckily are waiwed from this payment, at least)

Industrial customers in the US are subject to this as well.  We call this
"power factor."  Usually devices are used to bring the current and voltage
back into phase, but if not, the costs can be quite high.


>
>

> Or if we desparately need a change, then go with even more inclusive tag
> like "office=public_utility",
> and then use subtag (like existing
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:utility) to map details
> in what business(es) it is exactly.
>
This is a good idea.


> > In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility provides
> > electricity, water, sewer, and internet.
>
> Agreed, see suggestion above.
> Out of curiosity, do you know how is it mapped currently in OSM?
>
Just checked, it is not.

Mike

>
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Re: [Tagging] care services

[Matija Nalis]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:39:07 +0100, Georges Dutreix via Tagging 
 wrote:
> How would you tag the office of a company providing personnal services
> or care services at home,

> like gardener,

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=gardener

> cleaning,

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=cleaning

> assistance for children, elders or disabled,

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=social_facility

> small repairs

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=repair ?

> The tag office=employment_agency is sometimes used, but looks for me not
> really adequate. The goal is not to provide jobs but to sell services.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fee=yes


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Re: [Tagging] care services

[Jmapb]

On 11/18/2022 5:07 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:


On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 05:58, Jmapb  wrote:

I think office=home_aide might be good.
("home_care" sounds like it's the home that's being cared for.)


How about =home_assistance?


Hey, that's not bad!

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 08:05, Matija Nalis <
mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote:

>
> However, "energy company" is not restricted to electrical energy.
> Over here in Croatia, another popular energent is natural gas.
>
> In fact, many of "electrical energy providers" are also
> "natural gas providers" over here, so such narrowly specified tag
> as "office=power_utility"  would make mapping them incorrect.
>
> So I would find sticking to tag with a wider meaning (like existing
> "office=energy_supplier")
> preferable.
>

Yep, same in Australia, where most of the major "power" companies also
provide gas connections, either piped natural gas, or bottled gas.

One, at least, has also recently set themselves up as an internet provider!

Or if we desparately need a change, then go with even more inclusive tag
> like "office=public_utility",
> and then use subtag (like existing
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:utility) to map details
> in what business(es) it is exactly.
>
> > In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility provides
> > electricity, water, sewer, and internet.
>

That would work nicely!

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] care services

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 05:58, Jmapb  wrote:

> I think office=home_aide might be good.
> ("home_care" sounds like it's the home that's being cared for.)


How about =home_assistance?

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Matija Nalis]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 14:31:42 -0700, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> Technically what the electric utility is selling is energy, not power.  One
> gets billed for kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts. 

Well, it depends on the country. Over here in Croatia, you have to pay for 
max power too (by choosing which power consumer category you want to be in;
lower priced ones are limited to lower max power, e.g. 6kW; higher tiers allow 
more power, but cost more)

But yes, most of pricing is based on amount of electrical energy used 
(which is more properly measured in Joules, or if one wants to be SI-pedant 
in kg*m^2*s^-2, but power companies seem to stick to kWh nomenclature which 
actually does make some types of calculations easier)

Also, if being advanced consumer with higher power limits, you ALSO (in 
addition to 
two things above) have to pay for reactive power too, according to cos(phi) 
(beware of those inductive loads like compressors in air conditioners / heat 
pumps!
Cheapest tiers luckily are waiwed from this payment, at least)


> colloquially, the terms power and energy when it comes to electric
> utilities are used interchangeably, although "power company" seems to be
> favored vs. "energy company" in the US where I live.  If we want to be

> A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than one
> service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides both
> electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically energy too).

yes, "power" in that context usually implies "electrical energy".
However, "energy company" is not restricted to electrical energy.
Over here in Croatia, another popular energent is natural gas.

In fact, many of "electrical energy providers" are also 
"natural gas providers" over here, so such narrowly specified tag 
as "office=power_utility"  would make mapping them incorrect. 

So I would find sticking to tag with a wider meaning (like existing 
"office=energy_supplier") 
preferable.

Or if we desparately need a change, then go with even more inclusive tag like 
"office=public_utility",
and then use subtag (like existing 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:utility) to map details
in what business(es) it is exactly.

> In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility provides
> electricity, water, sewer, and internet.

Agreed, see suggestion above.
Out of curiosity, do you know how is it mapped currently in OSM?

> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:56 PM Dimitar  wrote:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_utility_office)
>> to introduce a new tag for power utility offices (office=power_utility)
>> and deprecate the existing one (office=energy_supplier). The rationale
>> behind this idea is that energy_supplier can be confusing to most people.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Mike Thompson]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM Dimitar  wrote:

> Energy and power are used quite interchangeably and power is the better
> word for it.
>
What evidence do you have that is the case?  What is being provided is
energy, not power.

...and if we mean electricity, why not use that in the tag?

>
> > A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than one
> service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides both
> electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically energy too).
> In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility provides
> electricity, water, sewer, and internet.
>
> That's something which is not common in Europe. The only close such case
> is an power company (EVN) which operates power infrastructure, heating
> infrastructure and sells power in the same area but these activities are
> separated in subsidiaries. Is that the case in the US or Xcel does not have
> subsidiaries for the different economic activities?
>
There is no subsidiary.

Mike


> On 18/11/2022 23:31, Mike Thompson wrote:
>
> Technically what the electric utility is selling is energy, not power.
> One gets billed for kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts.  See [0].  However,
> colloquially, the terms power and energy when it comes to electric
> utilities are used interchangeably, although "power company" seems to be
> favored vs. "energy company" in the US where I live.  If we want to be
> clear, why not office=electric_utility (if that is what we mean)?
>
> A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than one
> service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides both
> electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically energy too).
> In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility provides
> electricity, water, sewer, and internet.
>
> Mike
>
>
> [0] https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Energy_vs_power
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:56 PM Dimitar  wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I’m
>> [proposing](
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_utility_office)
>>
>> to introduce a new tag for power utility offices (office=power_utility)
>> and deprecate the existing one (office=energy_supplier). The rationale
>> behind this idea is that energy_supplier can be confusing to most people.
>>
>>
>> Please comment wherever you feel most comfortable:
>>
>> * Here
>> * On the wiki talk page
>> * On the community forum
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Dimitar]

Energy and power are used quite interchangeably and power is the better 
word for it.


> A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than one 
service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides both 
electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically energy 
too).  In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility provides 
electricity, water, sewer, and internet.


That's something which is not common in Europe. The only close such case 
is an power company (EVN) which operates power infrastructure, heating 
infrastructure and sells power in the same area but these activities are 
separated in subsidiaries. Is that the case in the US or Xcel does not 
have subsidiaries for the different economic activities?


On 18/11/2022 23:31, Mike Thompson wrote:
Technically what the electric utility is selling is energy, not 
power.  One gets billed for kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts.  See [0].  
However, colloquially, the terms power and energy when it comes to 
electric utilities are used interchangeably, although "power company" 
seems to be favored vs. "energy company" in the US where I live.  If 
we want to be clear, why not office=electric_utility (if that is what 
we mean)?


A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than one 
service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides both 
electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically energy 
too).  In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility 
provides electricity, water, sewer, and internet.


Mike


[0] https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Energy_vs_power

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:56 PM Dimitar  wrote:

Hello.

I’m

[proposing](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_utility_office)

to introduce a new tag for power utility offices
(office=power_utility)
and deprecate the existing one (office=energy_supplier). The
rationale
behind this idea is that energy_supplier can be confusing to most
people.


Please comment wherever you feel most comfortable:

* Here
* On the wiki talk page
* On the community forum


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Mike Thompson]

Technically what the electric utility is selling is energy, not power.  One
gets billed for kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts.  See [0].  However,
colloquially, the terms power and energy when it comes to electric
utilities are used interchangeably, although "power company" seems to be
favored vs. "energy company" in the US where I live.  If we want to be
clear, why not office=electric_utility (if that is what we mean)?

A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than one
service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides both
electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically energy too).
In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility provides
electricity, water, sewer, and internet.

Mike


[0] https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Energy_vs_power

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:56 PM Dimitar  wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I’m
> [proposing](
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_utility_office)
>
> to introduce a new tag for power utility offices (office=power_utility)
> and deprecate the existing one (office=energy_supplier). The rationale
> behind this idea is that energy_supplier can be confusing to most people.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Matija Nalis]

Regarding deprecation of old tags, please follow this Discourse thread too:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/changing-rfc-time-for-proposals-including-deprecation/5661


On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 22:04:59 +0200, Dimitar  wrote:
> Link to the community forum thread: 
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/feature-proposal-rfc-power-utility-offices/5659


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

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Link to the community forum thread: 
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/feature-proposal-rfc-power-utility-offices/5659



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Re: [Tagging] care services

[Jmapb]

On 11/17/2022 2:23 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote:

Vào lúc 10:51 2022-11-17, Philip Barnes đã viết:

On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 19:21 +0100, Georges Dutreix wrote:


Le 17/11/2022 à 18:52, Philip Barnes a écrit :

I have used office=home_care for a care company.


I found as well amenity=personal_service used 110 times
Would be "amenity" better than "office" for this case ?


Personal services and Care are not really the same thing.

Care could probably fit into heathcare.


I've mapped the office of a home care provider (just a desk) as 
healthcare=home_care, but something in office=* would make sense too.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8710988857

I've been using amenity=social_facility + 
social_facility=ambulatory_care for so-called "home health agencies", 
based on the wiki pages 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dsocial_facility and 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:social_facility%3Dambulatory_care 
, but I've never really grooved to that tag. From the page history, I 
see that J Eisenberg asked us to "consider office=* instead" in 2020, 
with no value specified. I think office=home_aide might be good. 
("home_care" sounds like it's the home that's being cared for.) Could 
also go under the healthcare tag.


J


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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Dimitar]

Hello.

I’m 
[proposing](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_utility_office) 
to introduce a new tag for power utility offices (office=power_utility) 
and deprecate the existing one (office=energy_supplier). The rationale 
behind this idea is that energy_supplier can be confusing to most people.



Please comment wherever you feel most comfortable:

* Here
* On the wiki talk page
* On the community forum


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