Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk
+1 for amenity -1 for tourism +1 for reception_point (it might not be a desk, right? point=desk?) is there some JOSM/other validation issue with an amenity being inside another amenity? if so, then, I woudl hope that would be addressed..and if not, yay! or... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:information landuse=reception_point -- Alex On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: - Of course it is not tourism, but amenity: it is not a goal by itself, but an amenity of something larger. There probably more reception desks at industrial compounds etc. than at campsites; - If you can't tag it as an area you still will place the note as accurately as possible where the reception desk is; anyhow it should be part of an area relation. We have been in situations that the camping reception was outside the campground itself, two blocks away in a shop On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:49 AM Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: One personal factual example; 5 buildings with an area including parking, landscaping etc .. of about 2 square kilometers One reception desk. Yes only one. The node of reception desk is spatially within the area .. so 'connected' to the rest .. as are the car parks within the area. On 13/03/2015 11:25 AM, Andreas Goss wrote: anything that is big enough to have a reception is better represented by an area than by a node- IMHO. At the time I micromap the reception I'd likely also convert the node POI into an area So how do you now connect the reception with the area? What if you have different levels? __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] courtyards
imho a courtyard is related to leisure. why for: because a courtyard matters to people with leisure time and it is a luxury of sorts. why against: perhaps a courtyard is a sequestered area/way as it is often tagger highway designated footpath as an area, an area that is a Very big way for foot traffic, and so not leisure at all, just a big highway with special rules. I would like to hear more from others. I think courtyards are important, and they are disappearing, so , if we map them, maybe they will lget more attention, and their numbers will increase. I have never tagged a courtyard as a POI, perhaps because I didn't know how. I hope this conversation can help lots of people. Thanks for bringing it up! -- Alex On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't know that courtyards have their own name ;-) In general, it seems a good idea to have a tag (apart from name=*) on the inner line of the multipolygon. But I would avoid the key place=* because this key is rather used for bigger features and seems to not fit well. Maybe there is another key *=courtyard that fits better? 2015-02-06 22:14 GMT, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: Courtyards use to be mapped as inner members of building multipolygons. We can also use the multipolygon relation to assign a name to the bullding. If we want to assign a name to the courtyard, we must assign it to the way. But then we need some kind of physical tag in addition. Applications won't know what do do with the name when there aren't any other tags. Some courtyards are tagged place=locality or highway=pedestrian or leisure=park, but they all seem wrong. A place=locality wouldn't be that strictly delimited, and a park or pedestrian area need not occupy the entire courtyard. A courtyard really has nothing to do with leisure=*, and it is not a highway either. It's just a hole in a building. What key can we use for this? What about place=courtyard (an area spared by a buildng), analogous to place=island (an area spared by the ocean)? -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Lukas Sommer ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Personal Keys for WikiProject, Survey Data for Import
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: That is really poor idea. IMHO remembering location and object type should be enough to identify it. OK, I'm game: let us say it is a node with an amenity and name tag attached. Let us also say that the positioning is absolutely accurate, for the sake of the cases. Let us say my goal is to maintain the node, in the same place, and to add international names and more information over time. These are heritage objects, for the most part, not commercial locations. So, I post it to OSM, and then it is changed. Change case 1. Someone moves the node, changes the name, changes and the amenity tags (new, different amenity value) Change case 2. Someone deletes the node, and then someone else adds it again in a slightly (100m) different position How do I know/get-notified it was changed? Specifically, how would you setup a system to receive notification that the object was changed? Have you done it? Do you have some scripts to share? (Can I please NOT have to add a relation?) We are talking about many thousands of nodes, btw. Oh, btw, should we be busy stripping out all the USGS GNIS tags? Of course not, so, I am new to this, and I spend a lot of time on OSM, but I really don't know where to start with scripting tracking for thousands of nodes that might get a new unique ID every other week. Where do I start? 2014-09-18 1:43 GMT+02:00 Alex Rollin alex.rol...@gmail.com: Hello, We are surveying for local points of interest. We need to store an ID for these objects to keep track of them. I think this is called a personal key? Something like indonesiaheritage:ID=231892312 Is that the acceptable format for such a thing? We will then publish a page on the wiki about the data, and connect that page to the WikiProject. I am deducing from what I see for the USGS_GNIS survey import: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/USGS_GNIS gnis:feature_id (allows feebdack on the data set, corresponds to original data) Is there anything else we can do to improve our plan? Relevant links: WikiProject Indonesia: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Indonesia Here is my user page on the wiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Alexrollin -- Alex ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Personal Keys for WikiProject, Survey Data for Import
Hello, We are surveying for local points of interest. We need to store an ID for these objects to keep track of them. I think this is called a personal key? Something like indonesiaheritage:ID=231892312 Is that the acceptable format for such a thing? We will then publish a page on the wiki about the data, and connect that page to the WikiProject. I am deducing from what I see for the USGS_GNIS survey import: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/USGS_GNIS gnis:feature_id (allows feebdack on the data set, corresponds to original data) Is there anything else we can do to improve our plan? Relevant links: WikiProject Indonesia: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Indonesia Here is my user page on the wiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Alexrollin -- Alex ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] feature Proposal - RFC 2 - tourism = apartment
bathtub furnished -- Alex On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-02-16 8:29 GMT+00:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 07:06 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: I would prefer the plural tourism=apartments. I prefer singular because the plural term explicitly states that more than one unit is available to rent while the singular implies only that there is at least one unit for rent on a short term basis. Therefore the plural designation might often be wrong while the singular will not. +1 The plural also implies that all of the apartments in the building are available for short term holiday rental, whereas in reality there is likely to be a mix of rental and residential apartments in the building. Phil (trigpoint) FWIW, I too am happy with the singular tourism=apartment. I'll repeat what I said on the talk page: beds=* would be better as capacity=*. Otherwise, looks OK to me. Best Dan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to overcome lack of consensus
Hi, I am relatively new to OSM. I have one point to make. I am pretty sure that the persistence of traversible structures is one of the reasons that Wikipedia admins are ... effective? It seems like (as a user of Wikipedia) that there are literally thousands of people who have robots trawling all over doing automated this and that. Is there a way we could start down a path like that? I know some people are watching coastlines and other things. What should I be doing to get on that wagon? A -- Alex On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/19 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de If we want to follow the operators of big fast food brands, then yes, as they call their shops restaurant themselfes. that's the difference between marketing and the real world. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to map an household goods store?
personally I think housewares is OK. In many cases this would (in my evaluation of English usage) go so far as to include: kitchen simple repair simple furniture basic linens I prefer the term home store, personally, but that is just because I like the word better. I feel that home is synonymous with housewares. -- Alex On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/9/16 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 05:47 +0200, Stefano Fraccaro wrote: I have some shops that sell only household goods like dishes, pots, coffee makers, blenders, oven thermometers, ... IMHO shop=supermarket and shop=general are non appropriate. Which is the correct tag? I would have thought that would be shop=cookware. But only used 9 times on the planet. It's not only about cooking, there may be (here in Italy, at least) decorations, some furniture like tables and chairs, lamps, so it's more of a shop that sells houseware with a possible focus on kitchenware. I think I'd be equally good with household and houseware as a value - even though houseware seems to be more fitting, but this may be due to a misconception that I have because I'm not a native English speaker. Ciao, Simone ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=police
office=government ? i was just looking at something similar with immigration offices, oft frequented by travelers. embassies, yes. in-country immigration offices, no. -- Alex On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: To move this forward I've put this in proposal draft form: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dranger_station While the amenity amenity tag is overloaded, it seems more practical to put ranger stations next to fire and police stations, at least for now. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sports_centre
I have been using sport_centre for the very common facilities here in Indonesia that feature a small pitch, a pool, a building for meetings, and an indoor gym. Often there is a restaurant, a tidy front entrance with grass and trees, as well as a parking lot. I find the rendering to be a bit strange on the OSM site. Super green like a pitch for everything. Seems to color over all the features. A On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: On 16/07/2012 10:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: I find that surprising because it seems that sports_centre is even more ambiguous or misunderstood - at least if someone tells me he's going to the gym I know what they mean. It isn't to a British person (probably). Most towns of any size have a municipal facility called a Sports or Leisure Centre, which may itself contain a gym, but will have other facilities, probably including non-sport related ones such as a theatre. Unless another Brit wants to correct me, of course. J __**_ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/tagginghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Wikification of Discussions, New Types of Wiki Pages, Learning to Look at Cities from OSM (Learning from the Roundabout discussion)
Hi, I am really quite new to OSM and I am looking forward to a wiki page that clarifies everything about roundabouts, large, small, and quasi-roundabout-ish. I would like to learn how they are NOT traffic islands and how to tag traffic islands with curbs, as a related course of action. I am eager to learn, and sometimes wish I could follow these discussions on the wiki so that I could see where folks are putting this kind of information in the wiki. Thank you all for your discussion as it is informative and I learn a lot about how to participate in productive and useful tagging. Yay OSM! In my city, 90% of the streets weren't on the map 6 weeks ago when I started with OSM, so I am just now out in the streets of the community, after 6 weeks of tracing, taking pictures of standard islands and curbs and driveways and streets and street names and more, eager to see how they match up with what you are seeing and tagging in other places, and I am still learning how and where to make decisions about general features and stuff that is country specific. I am sure a collection of wiki pages exist for this now, for roundabouts. Is it possible that we can start to include the links into the email discussions? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Junctions http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout_(disambiguation) Would it help, for example, if mini-roundabout appeared on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout_(disambiguation) ? Is it possible that a more technical system for transcluding information about features like specific roundabouts, within the wiki (using mediawiki transclusion), would help to create (summary, comparison, implementation specific) pages like this? so, for example, handling of UK roundabouts from the UK wiki page could be transcluded into a page where we show the slight deviation for handling of similar features in Indonesia? When I see this collection of pages I sense that some of my own confusion comes from trying to understand how to interpret the authority structure and the ordering/categorization of the pages. Still learning, here! A set of presets for JOSM was created for Indonesia. I must admit that they are in Indonesia language and that I have some difficulty using them, but, they are useful because they ... I am too new to know the technical term...they provide a sort of default tag collection? I think it was made for buildings, specifically, but, then, isn't this a way that such a thing could be deployed for roundabouts, too? Is there a way that wiki policy, after having endured discussion and approval, can then be.. oh wouldn't it be nice, that this could be auto-magically deployed as updated feature presets for JOSM for country specific tagging? Ah, here it is: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/building.xml Please hear these ideas/efforts on my part as a quest to understand your discussion and a strong desire to participate, and of course coming from someone who thinks they might have seen a mini-roundabout, but, is not so sure how it is tagged compared to other things, and is learning about his own city through YOUR discussion of tags. I am no civil engineer, and sometimes I really don't even know what I am looking at, and I really am learning how to describe my own city FROM the wiki! Wild, hey? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion Open and curious, Alex in Bogor, Indonesia http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Alex%20Rollin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Fwd: Ojeq Stand
OK, So i make bad (formatting and approach) proposal for tag ojeq stand. It is a motorcycle taxi stand. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indonesia/adaptation/ojeq_stand Help requested with proposal, please, for formatting, placement, generalization. Alex ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Ojeq Stand
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2012-04-30 01:07, Alex Rollin wrote: OK, So i make bad (formatting and approach) proposal for tag ojeq stand. It is a motorcycle taxi stand. Why not first search for existing usage? Taxi stands are common all over the world. Searching the wiki for taxi yields: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtaxi . Add taxi=motorcycle;car;hov or maybe individual tags like motorcycle=yes, etc. in the style of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access#Transport_mode_restrictions . Thank you to Martin for pointing out the generalization, and for telling me where to find the process. Thank you to Alan for noticing that uses exist. Alan, indeed the text of the page read motorcycle=yes and I am SO NEW to this that I didn't actually know if it's ok to just add motorcylce=yes or if I needed to make a proposal. Can I just do that? So far I have followed what I read to the letter, so, I'm trying play along. I did have to search to figure that out. Alex ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
