ave the problem of having to switch currency since they use their own one already.I would rather say that the EU is a suber administrative boundary which belongs to OSM as a relation with admin_level=1 with all the EU countries as its members.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Mess
aracter).
- `website`: All the other websites of a POI not fitting in the
definition of `contact:website`. So providing valuable information
about the POI.
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ical field).~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' schemeFrom: Richard Fairhurst To: Tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: I love the fact that we are now 50 messages into discussing, for the secondtime, a change
r of their sisters should be no problem. The keys can be translated via a mechanical edit.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' schemeFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related
Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' schemeFrom: "Marc M." To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: Hello,Le 04.05.20 à 12:53, Valor Naram via Tagging a écrit :> replace all occurrence of the non-prefixed versions of the con
> As an alternative, why not get rid of the contact:* versions since mostpeople are not using them?I tried this in the first round and people rejected it with the reason that this is the newer one which should be used~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject:
I didn't heard any good reason why not to change to `contact:` scheme.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' schemeFrom: Marc Gemis To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: Are yo
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https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19184
OpenStreetMap contact schema unification
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Will come, will come, please be patient. This is on ny ToDo list.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)From: MARLIN LUKE To: Martin Koppenhoefer ,"Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC:
Hey,
it's over. I closed the vote with 61 votes against and 46 votes for my
proposal. My proposal has been rejected by community members:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Discussions/tagging/contact:phone_or_phone
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or the OpenStreetMap Community and of course for customers.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)From: Valor Naram via Tagging To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: Valor Naram Hey,I finally opened the vo
detect that they are equal like in this case, we
will need to develop a replacement function which we hate because
normally you wouldn't do such crazy things like having two tags for the
same purpose.
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> Valor Naram, could you clarify what specific changes will be made to> the page, based on approval of this proposal? Is it just rewording, or> are there any significant changes to how the tag is used?Basically it's just a rewording and redesign but actually there are s
mbers and to deprecate the tag contact:phone
which is used less. It's bad to have two keys for the exact same
purpose in use.
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`contact:phone` and `phone` are exactly for the same purpose, no differences just different names.See https://wiki.osm.org/Key:contact~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)From: Martin Koppenhoefer To: &quo
.- Deprecation of `contact:phone` has one disadvantage: It's not grouped anymore and we have to solve this by creating a new wikipage which lists all keys that can be used for contacting purposes (e.g. throw a contact tab like the Babykarte has).~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original
> let’s us all save a lot of typing and let’s bury the contact: - prefix.The time will come at least I will try to accomplish this.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)From: Martin Koppenhoefer To: &
g. `phone` is the same like `contact:phone`. You could just find one difference: The name. And to have just the names different is a bad thing. In such cases we can make life a lot easier by just using one tag AND NOT two tags for the same purpose!~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Origina
have one aggreement on storing data and not one. Two or more ways of storing literally the same thing is what I call inconsistent and bad for database usage.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)From: Paul Allen
r but I also agree that "phone" is better because
it's a shorter key, better to find in the wiki and used widely among
the community. So I propose deprecating "contact:phone" for the reason
why I think "phone" will win (or has already won according to its
sightly mor
But as datauser I won't use that data. We need to find a way to make the tags more useful in global scope. That can be done by translating to widely supported tags etc.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Strange tagsFrom: ael To: tagging
Be sure that almost no data user will evaluate these tags~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Strange tagsFrom: ael To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 09:09:16PM +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote:> donald=yes> ele=821&g
g difference.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)From: Chris Hill To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: I disagree with this idea that we must remove similar tags for the sake of it.Anyone who actually uses OSM data (ra
to work with our data.
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the wiki page. I don't bother to delete `phone:emergency` and so on from my spec.~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changingFrom: Paul Allen To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: On W
So you suggest `phone:international` and `phone` beside of the other keys `phone:press`, `phone:night`, `phone:emergency`?~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changingFrom: Colin Smale To: tagging
We should not talk any longer about charging plans (which provider and when will apply different charges to whom) because we're difting off --> going Off-Topic.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki p
So we're good to keep `phone:mobile` for mappers who know if the number is a mobile one or landline.We can keep `phone:mobile` for explicit ones where you can say to 100% this is a mobile phone number and will be *generally* charged as such.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor NaramPS: Don't be
So the distinction of mobile and landline is a problem. Is there any possibility to distinct between landline and mobile also in Italy?CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changingFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer
> What about the other less frequently used duplicates contact:website, contact:email and contact:fax? Wouldn't it make more sense to deprecate them all instead of just one?At least `contact:email` will come. I prefer to work step for step.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Origi
voices. I included a Markdown
file with this e-mail and want to know what you think. Is there a
possibility to use Markdown in our wiki or to convert Markdown into
wiki formatting?
Cheerio
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# Usage
## Format of phone numbers
Phone numbers should be always in the follow
bkeys like `emergency`CheerioSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone WAS Re: Multiple tags for one purposeFrom: Colin Smale To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC:
On 2019-08-26 15:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
sent from a phoneOn 25
ion" in general. But deprecating `contact:phone` in favor of `phone` can be the logical step.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone WAS Re: Multiple tags for one purposeFrom: Colin Smale To: tagging@openstreetmap
> What about deprecating the contact: prefix, at least for phone? It doesn’t seem it will ever make it and is basically a deliberate tag fragmentation.Yes, I recommend deprecating `contact:phone` Original Message Subject: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone WAS Re: Multiple tags for
why not. Babykarte has also support for `amenity=childcare` Original Message Subject: [Tagging] Add amenity=childcare to Map Features?From: Joseph Eisenberg To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: The tag amenity=childcare is fairly popular (used 17,000 times), andit's
to solve it. Goal: To deprecate one tag in favor of the other one. Developing a strategy.Best regardsSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one purposeFrom: Joseph Eisenberg To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tool
That's why I want to involve all user groups. Mappers, developers and local communities.CheerioSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one purposeFrom: marc marc To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: Le 24.08.19 à 18:04, Valor Naram
ecrets. This connection I can try to create also among OSM folks (societies).Best regardsSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one purposeFrom: Paul Allen To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: On Sat, 24 Aug 2
The tagging Community (this list) will negotiate it and it's the office at the same time. The process should be like the process for proposals but only discussion and vote.RegardsSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one
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about "fragmentation" as Morgan calls it.
In my opinion this is a topic we should consider working on and
creating a wikipage to describe the "defragemtation" process in
general.
Cheers,
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://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wheelchairCheerioSören alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hikingFrom: Paul Allen To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 15:32, Andreas Lattmann <andrea.lattm...@ga-2
per=bench -> changing_Table=limited
>
> diaper=room -> changing_table=yes + changing_table:location=room
> (you
> can't assume that the room is dedicated)
>
> Le 12.06.19 à 18:10, Valor Naram a écrit :
> > Hi marc,
> >
> > you can find the conversi
Hi marc,
you can find the conversion table at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table
I promised to create such a table and I am not one who breaks his
promises
On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 14:41 +, marc marc wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit :
d about hearing your ideas since some of you noted that
just replacing the diaper key and its values with the key and the
values of the new key can be problematic.
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Yes it would work and I would highly appreciate it because it's easier for me to maintain a discussion page than a discussion on a mailing list. A discussion page gives me more control of the discussion itself which is needed for moderating.CheersSören alias Valor Naram Original Message
We should also remember ourselves that we want to talk objectively about topics as often as possible and avoiding debates that are driving too emotional. Sure, everyone is free to express his/her subjective view but it shouldn't enlarge to a emotional debate like in thread
Hey,
I am encouraging you to vote for the Proposal at https://wiki.openstree
tmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table a second time. I'm in
hope to get that approved.
I want to see your choices.
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Did it, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing descriptionFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: sent from a
<61sundow...@gmail.com>To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: On 25/05/19 17:15, Valor Naram wrote:> Hey all,>> something else that needs to be discussed/improved before starting the > second voting?>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_tableKey:baby_changing_tab
Hey all,something else that needs to be discussed/improved before starting the second voting?CheerioSören alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing descriptionFrom: Valor Naram To: "Tag discussion, str
o fit in the emotion costume but it should have
been lead to a objective discussion with searching and providing
solutions in order to solve the problem.
If you want an investigation for clearing things out, I will do that.
But I won't use this mailing list for that.
Cheers
Sör
I could try to investigate and I am neutral because I don't have an opinion on that topic yet. You have just to say it and I will prepare an investigation like pointing out my role in this process and some other things that needs to be done beforehand.Great wishes bySören alias Valor Naram
CC: Am Do., 23. Mai 2019 um 10:52 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram <valin...@gmx.net>:I have changed the description for the proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table as suggested.current description reads: "Provides the infrastructure for changing the n
When I came to OSM I started mapping my house number. Then I don't participated for 3 years until I came back and I hadn't had any problems of whom to ask. I edited something and then iD lead me to the "OSM_de" group on Telegram. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Wiki for
ias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] solving iD conflict (was: pointlessly inflamatory title)From: Mateusz Konieczny To: CC: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
23 May 2019, 18:32 by o...@westnordost.de:reverse this development.
I have changed the description for the proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table as suggested. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing descriptionFrom: marc marc To:
Yes, right. Sry for this. I learnt that "floor" means "Flur" in german language. Seems to be incorrect. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing tableFrom: Michael Brandtner via Tagging To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: Michael Brandtner
I
then it's a property Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing tableFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: Am Mo., 20. Mai 2019 um 12:36 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram <valin...@gmx.net>:> [..
ure Proposal - RFC - changing tableFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: Am Mo., 20. Mai 2019 um 11:00 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram <valin...@gmx.net>:> From what I understand, the tag seems to be intended as a property only (requires a "
ocumented yet and its meaning remains unclear. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing tableFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: Am Mo., 20. Mai 2019 um 07:07 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram <valin...
trategy and related tools" CC: sent from a phone> On 19. May 2019, at 20:31, Valor Naram wrote:> > I have rewritten my proposal to hopefully please the critic. Please check it out: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_featu res/changing_table> > Author: Valor Naram> Def
Hey guys,
my first proposal has been rejected for some reason. I have rewritten my
proposal to hopefully please the critic. Please check it out:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_featu res/changing_table
Author: Valor Naram
Definition: A tag to mark the possibility to change
Hey guys,
my first proposal regarding changing tables were rejected because of
being "too complex". I will give it a second chance and provide you
with the v2.0 of it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_featu
res/changing_table
Author: Valor Naram
Definition: A t
changing tableFrom: Valor Naram To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: Definition: A tag to mark the possibility to change the baby's nappy Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/baby_changing_tablesPlease join the discussion and I will spend time to make changes.CheerioSören alias
Hi there,
Definition: A tag to mark the possibility to change the baby's nappy
Author: Valor Naram
the discussion has been closed by me and we can vote on my proposal.
Please give me your voice at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Propos
ed_features/changing_table so we can get rid
wing:https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_tableThen we can create a redirect from the old URL so that all links mentioned in this thread and elsewhere will work indefinitely. Please verify that both the main page and the talk page redirects.On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:50 PM V
quot; without the "baby" prefix. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing tableFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: sent from a phone> On 29. Apr 2019, at 14:24, Valor Naram wrote:> >
I will put an end to the discussion of the chosen name and will just link to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/baby_changing_tables#Statement_from_the_author where I explain there's no doubt of using "changing table" because it means what it means without
I now splited the table into two parts so you can see how the wiki will look like (not equal)Seehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/baby_changing_tables#Tagging Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing tableFrom: Valor Naram
able is inaccessible like all those I have seen ?maybe my experience is not diversified enoughfurthermore the proposal was based on the principle of harmonizing tags with what is done for other objects, but now it introduces inconsistencies (features=bench <> bench=yes for example)Le 25.
There's no discussion concerning the proposal of "baby changing table" anymore. What's happening? Should I start the voting process? Are all words said?Answer "no" (with or without any reason) and I won't start the voting.CheersSören alias Valor Naram Original Mes
To your 4.: We need to get the developers to change their presets beforehand. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Why should we avoid overusage of amenity=* tag?From: Paul Allen To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 10:16, V
Good reasons were given here. I changed also my mind but there's the problem of how to deal with this problem.Deprecating "amenity" would hurt because it's a very important key. But I have some suggestions:1. Keeping the "amenity" wiki page intact.2. Creating/extending pages for new keys e.g.
It could be added to the "features" key as "adjustable_height" value. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing tableFrom: bkil To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: To aid those with achondroplasia, I think it would also be
I need to clarify the access=* key for my proposal to pleace this discussion.changing_table:access=yesThe changing table is accessible to the public. This means you can change the nappy of your baby without being a customer. This happens rarely.changing_table:access=noThe changing table isn't also
changing_table:location=unisex_toilet;wheelchair_toilet Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] diaper subkey for wheelchair toilets including a changing tableFrom: bkil To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: Well, the place I had in mind only had a unisex toilet - a
+1 I agree with Paul Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing tableFrom: Paul Allen To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 22:56, marc marc wrote:
however I wonder if it's useful
The name of the key has been changed to "changing_table"
On Sat, 2019-04-20 at 17:12 +0200, Valor Naram wrote:
> Definition: A tag to mark the possibility to change the baby's nappy
> Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/
> baby_changing_tab
. I obviously support the proposed scheme. ;-)
I don't have strong feelings about the exact naming of the
used key, as I mentioned previously.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 5:14
PM Valor Naram <valin...@gmx.net> wrote:
I agree since "amenity" is a good tag and there are many different types of facilities available. In my view introducing an own key for each possibility would be messy.Leaving it how it is now seems the best. Future proposals should just add a value to the "amenity" key Original Message
Definition: A tag to mark the possibility to change the baby's nappy
Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ba
by_changing_tables
Please join the discussion and I will spend time to make changes.
Cheerio
Sören alias Valor Naram
ome membersthe small question that remains, should the key be called baby_changing_table or changing_table? some people talkedabout adult tables (I have a little trouble imagining an adulton a table). that could avoid confusionLe 19.04.19 à 22:46, Valor Naram a écrit :> You (Warin) and marc marc mad
ers of the community would hurt apps like AndOSM and other platforms working with the `diaper` key e.g. Babykarte.I will write a proposal or should I first discuss my ideas with you instead?CheersSören alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] diaper subkey for wheelchair toil
ers of the community would hurt apps like AndOSM and other platforms working with the `diaper` key e.g. Babykarte. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] diaper subkey for wheelchair toilets including a changing tableFrom: marc marc To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: Le 19.04.19 à 10:28, Valor Na
eetmap.orgCC:
On 19/04/19 05:21, Paul Allen wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 19:54, Valor Naram <valin...@gmx.net>
wrote:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Proposal_list
anging tableFrom: marc marc To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: Le 18.04.19 à 20:53, Valor Naram a écrit :> I want to tag a changing table but this changing table> is in the toilet room for wheelchair users.imho diaper is a little ugly : documented values are mixof how many, what and where.if I wa
idn't find such specification at https://w
iki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:diaper or it exists but isn't documented
yet. If such tagging doesn't exist, I will write a proposal for you to
discuss and vote on.
Cheerio
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