Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-04-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Are there any more comments about the proposal for amenity=motorcycle_taxi? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dmotorcycle_taxi As expected, there were a few critical remarks about the use of "amenity=" - however, this is the key used for "amenity=taxi", a motorcar

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-21 Thread Florimond Berthoux
My point is : don't merge features in the same tag ! That makes thing more difficult to tag and more difficult to consume. Indonesia is big but world is bigger, and I'm pretty sure we can find examples where different kind of vehicles shares the same taxi spot. (You can use any british word for th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On 2/21/20, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > in the Philippines, tricycles/pedicabs are never used for long-distance > travel > and are usually used for the "last-mile" travel typically to get to a > particular house from a main highway (or to get from the house to the > highway). These tricycles/pe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> In Paris there are parking shared between bicycle and motorcycle, and > parking shared between bicycle and dock less vehicles (scooters). Unlike parking spaces, a motorcycle taxi stand is never shared between motorcycles and cabs or tricycles here in Indonesia, since each type of vehicle has d

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Hi, I'm always suspicious about tags with underscore in it, because they often mix different features together. My examples are parking, bicycle_parking, motorcycle_parking. In Paris there are parking shared between bicycle and motorcycle, and parking shared between bicycle and dock less vehicles

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:13 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Oh, here in Indonesia you can find motorcycle taxis (ojek) everywhere, > including in all the towns where bicycle rickshaws / pedicabs operate. > > For example, all of the markets in my town have a pangkalan ojek > (motorcycle taxi stand)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 02:49, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > I would like to formally request comments on the proposal for > amenity=motorcycle_taxi: > > "A place where motorcycle taxis wait for passengers" > ... > While some have proposed using amenity=taxi plus additional tags for > motorcycle taxi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Oh, here in Indonesia you can find motorcycle taxis (ojek) everywhere, including in all the towns where bicycle rickshaws / pedicabs operate. For example, all of the markets in my town have a pangkalan ojek (motorcycle taxi stand) and a separate pangkalan becak (pedicab stand), usually near the ma

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 8:32 PM Joseph Eisenberg, wrote: > > I think using "motorcycle_taxi" as a tag value would be confusing. > > Unfortunately, the English language terminology for these things is > not very established, since they are not used in Britain or North > America (except for the touri

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 8:28 PM Martin Koppenhoefer, wrote: > > > Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 13:21 Uhr schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar < > sea...@gmail.com>: > >> The only difference is one is human-powered while the other is >> engine-powered. >> > > > IMHO, if we distinguish automobile taxis from motor

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> they use (pedaled) bicycles instead. These are called pedicabs... Yes, Indonesia has many of these too: we call them "becak," passengers sit up front on a bench, unlike in India bicycle rickshaws. There are even "bemo" which are motorized tricycles, where the bicycle part (in the back) has been

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 13:21 Uhr schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar < sea...@gmail.com>: > The only difference is one is human-powered while the other is > engine-powered. > IMHO, if we distinguish automobile taxis from motorcycle taxis, we should also distinguish both from human powered vehicles. Th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
As a person from the Philippines who uses these "motorcycle taxis" (we call them tricycles here and they are basically motorcycles with an attached sidecar for passengers), I am in favor of having a new top-level tag for these "taxi" stations. The reason why we used "taxi" here is that this was the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Not all of these actually are in real-world use. The only 4 options in common use today are: 1) motorcar, 4 wheels, enclosed (amenity=taxi) 2) motorcycle, 2 wheels, open (amenity=motorcycle_taxi) 3) pedicabs / 3-wheel tricycles (amenity=pedicab?) - non-motorized 4) autorickshaws, 3 wheels, enclos

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 12:47 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > This is a very common feature in Southeast Asia, Africa and parts of > central and south America: there are hundreds of thousands of them. > > Can't we have an easy to use top-level feature tag, instead of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread marc marc
Le 20.02.20 à 12:45, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > Can't we have an easy to use top-level feature tag, instead of having > to add 3 tags like amenity=taxi + motorcar=no + motorcycle=yes to > define one very common, unique feature? did we need to have a top-level feature for every "unique" combinati

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> use amenity=taxi with motorcycle=yes, motorcar=no for motorbike based taxi > stands. That combination has only been used 145 times, in spite of being including in the Phillipines tagging guidelines and previously on Tag:amenity=taxi: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/QTu There are more places with na

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This new tag is meant for motorcycles (2 wheeled vehicles), not 3-wheel tuk-tuks and similar vehicles, which are enclosed and provide a separate seating are for passengers. They are more similar to 4-wheel motorcar taxis than to motorcycles. Yes, some places (like the Phillipines) have suggested u

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 10:23 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt : > Do we have any idea how many amenity=taxi already in OSM are in fact > toctocs or similar? > I suspect that this number is huge, and introducing a new tag for them > will only create confusion, as we have no way of migrating the toktoks

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Volker Schmidt
Do we have any idea how many amenity=taxi already in OSM are in fact toctocs or similar? I suspect that this number is huge, and introducing a new tag for them will only create confusion, as we have no way of migrating the toktoks tagged as taxies to the new key. Volker On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 08

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 20.02.2020 o 08:48, Joseph Eisenberg pisze: > I would like to formally request comments on the proposal for > amenity=motorcycle_taxi: > > "A place where motorcycle taxis wait for passengers" > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dmotorcycle_taxi I propose

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I would like to formally request comments on the proposal for amenity=motorcycle_taxi: "A place where motorcycle taxis wait for passengers" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dmotorcycle_taxi In many countries, motorcycles for hire are much more common than automo