Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-03-01 Thread Jan van Bekkum
I have adapted the proposal to reflect the results of this discussion. Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards, *Jan van Bekkum* www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:53 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-03-01 Thread fly
Am 01.03.2015 um 16:46 schrieb Jan van Bekkum: I have adapted the proposal to reflect the results of this discussion. As long as there is not category for service-businesses I would use amenity=vehicle_storage as this is no shop but a service and shop=storage sounds like a super category for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-02-22 0:27 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com: Personally, it is confusing as all hell that some businesses that offer services for money are amenities and some are shops. I know the implication of shop is for sales of goods, but a restaurant sells food, and it is an amenity. A bench is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-23 Thread Warin
On 24/02/2015 4:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-02-22 0:27 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: Personally, it is confusing as all hell that some businesses that offer services for money are amenities and some are shops. I know the implication of shop

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-22 Thread Jan van Bekkum
You never can do it fully correct: - The breakfast restaurant in a two-star hotel just for residents is an amenity - A restaurant in a five-star hotel has to be present to qualify the for five stars, just like a gym, so it is an amenity, although you have to pay separately for the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-22 Thread Andreas Goss
shop=storage to me means a shop that sells bags, boxes .. stuff to store things in ... not the space to store stuff in. so shop=vehicle_storage would be better if it is to be shop=. http://www.garagen-klaus.de/files/garagegreif1_2.jpg __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-22 Thread johnw
On Feb 22, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: You never can do it fully correct: The breakfast restaurant in a two-star hotel just for residents is an amenity A restaurant in a five-star hotel has to be present to qualify the for five stars, just like a gym,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
Me too. restaurant, fast_food, pub, restaurant, ice_cream, beer garden, cafe and bar for example should be shop= not amenity .. for my thinking. +1 shop=storage to me means a shop that sells bags, boxes .. stuff to store things in ... not the space to store stuff in. In America,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
Storage and long term parking are subtly different - and LTP is definitely a part of parking. AFAIK, long term storage has the assumption that a: you are a traveller in some respect, and the amenity is usually near transportation facilities B: you will come back sometime, once possibly

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
So how does one differentiate between a common use lot that is private And a *shop* that offers that? Isn't there some need for the shop=* in some regard. Javbw On Feb 22, 2015, at 3:30 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 3:30 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to certain people, such as residents of a particular neighborhood, use access tags as well. It then becomes the responsibility of the renderer to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread Warin
On 22/02/2015 10:27 AM, John Willis wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 3:30 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com mailto:j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to certain people, such as residents of a particular neighborhood, use access

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John F. Eldredge
If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to certain people, such as residents of a particular neighborhood, use access tags as well. It then becomes the responsibility of the renderer to check these tags. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Sure, but we need to show that you can't store a boat in a car storage. On Sat Feb 21 2015 at 7:32:25 PM John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to certain people, such as residents of a particular neighborhood, use access tags as well. It

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: Please have a look at this feature proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking%3Dcar_storage . One question I have is, would this be more for something like this storage lot I can't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-20 Thread johnw
On Feb 20, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/02/2015 1:22 PM, johnw wrote: I think he’s trying to say that “a storage amenity” is different from a parking amenity”, because it is not something you would seek out on the map when looking for parking (even long

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-20 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Thanks again, makes sense. What is the best way to map what vehicles the storage is intended for? motorcar=yes? Access=motorcar, access=caravan would duplicate the key So it would become: shop=vehicle_storage covered=yes motorcar=yes caravan=yes On Fri Feb 20 2015 at 9:35:09 AM johnw

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-02-20 13:42 GMT+01:00 Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com: So it would become: shop=vehicle_storage covered=yes motorcar=yes caravan=yes I wouldn't use the shop key but something like amenity, and motorcar is a legal access restriction, so should be something different as well.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-20 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-02-20 13:42 GMT+01:00 Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com: So it would become: shop=vehicle_storage covered=yes motorcar=yes caravan=yes I wouldn't use the shop key but

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-19 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Please have a look at this feature proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking%3Dcar_storage . *Jan van Bekkum* www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-19 Thread Warin
Would apply to travellers flying or going on a sea voyage for some time. The parking= key looks to give information on the physical layout of the parking - underground/ground level only, multi-story etc. So may not be the best place for this information? Would not the tag maxstay give some

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-19 Thread Warin
Oh .. you want to determine if the parking is covered or not? then http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:covered and/or use the present values of the key parking= underground, sheds, carports, garage_boxes, multi-storey ? any other value or missing tags take as uncovered? Adds no tags ..

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-19 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Thanks, this makes much sense. - I will update the proposal to use the key covered instead of different values for the type of storage - I will also change car to vehicle covering caravans, boats, etc. as well - I agree that amenity or shop would be better that parking as the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-19 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:22 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: I think he’s trying to say that “a storage amenity” is different from a parking amenity”, because it is not something you would seek out on the map when looking for parking (even long term airport parking, i think) - but rather

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-19 Thread johnw
I think he’s trying to say that “a storage amenity” is different from a parking amenity”, because it is not something you would seek out on the map when looking for parking (even long term airport parking, i think) - but rather something you’d seek out when looking for a storage facility for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-19 Thread Warin
On 20/02/2015 1:22 PM, johnw wrote: I think he’s trying to say that “a storage amenity” is different from a parking amenity”, because it is not something you would seek out on the map when looking for parking (even long term airport parking, i think) - but rather something you’d seek out when