Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-11 Thread Zsolt Bertalan
I was playing around with taginfo and run into a strange set of tags in northern Germany. These are barriers separating opposite lanes on motorways. There are lots of them like this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/118720124 Key/tag combos are : barrier=beam_barrier highway=axis

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-11 Thread fly
Am 11.07.2011 17:24, schrieb Zsolt Bertalan: I was playing around with taginfo and run into a strange set of tags in northern Germany. These are barriers separating opposite lanes on motorways. There are lots of them like this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/118720124 Key/tag

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-11 Thread SomeoneElse
On 11/07/2011 16:47, fly wrote: There was a discussion on talk-de@ about it: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg85941.html Thanks - I was wondering what visor=hedge meant! ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-11 Thread Steve Doerr
On 11/07/2011 17:03, SomeoneElse wrote: On 11/07/2011 16:47, fly wrote: There was a discussion on talk-de@ about it: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg85941.html Thanks - I was wondering what visor=hedge meant! I wonder if screen=hedge would be what they're looking

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-07 Thread fly
Am 07.07.2011 06:26, schrieb Gary Gallagher: Returning to my original question. If we only do a building=entrance and don't have a barrier=door tag would we apply something like barrier:key=yes/no/number as entrance:key=yes/no/number? So, you moving the barrier tag under the entrance

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-07 Thread John F. Eldredge
Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/07/2011 23:24, Pieren wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-07 Thread Gary Gallagher
I'm just trying to think about the way we are meant to map for the blind. Currently this wiki entry http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_for_the_blind recommends that we tag addresses not on the building but on the entrance. This is the feature which a blind person needs to find. I was struck by

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-07 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:00 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: I think the problem is that the English word door has a more specific meaning than the French word porte evidently does. The closest cognate in English would be portal, which means door, gate, or entrance. Yes, in

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On 07/06/2011 03:35 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/7/7 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: And this case, Cour Delepine entrance, Paris:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:34 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: Could you explain or give an example for a door leading to the outside of beeing completely outside (e.g. part of a wall or fence) that is not a gate? IMHO gate does comprise doors (especially doors that lead to

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/07/2011 21:43, Pieren wrote: The Passage de la Boule Blanche is closed by a door. Or would you qualify this a gate ? Speaking entirely for myself, I'd call that a gate. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/6 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=paris,+Passage+de+la+Boule+Blanchehl=frll=48.85134,2.37229spn=0.001273,0.001982sll=48.853082,2.370364sspn=0.002545,0.003964t=kz=19layer=ccbll=48.851346,2.37229panoid=M3k9nxcYnp2fn3fpfeP39Qcbp=12,33.63,,0,-2.44 The Passage de la

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:10 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I'd call that a gate. Cheers, Martin And this case, Cour Delepine entrance, Paris:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/7 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: And this case, Cour Delepine entrance, Paris:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Steve Doerr
On 06/07/2011 23:24, Pieren wrote: http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=paris,+Cour+Delepinehl=frll=48.853267,2.376236spn=0.001272,0.001982sll=48.853393,2.376266sspn=0.002527,0.003964t=kz=19layer=ccbll=48.853272,2.376236panoid=QaPsmt8GresisBm_udoo9wcbp=12,4.87,,0,10.23

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Gary Gallagher
Returning to my original question. If we only do a building=entrance and don't have a barrier=door tag would we apply something like barrier:key=yes/no/number as entrance:key=yes/no/number? regards Gary On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 13:03 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it the next days. I guess the thing on the pic is a kind of guard_rail (probably could be subtagged). I didn't put this picture in myself and it is not showing what I had in mind

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On 06/30/2011 05:35 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: How about lane dividers?  This is an example below, though where I'm thinking of them they actually divide a couple of lanes for about a km or so - no lane changing allowed at that point.

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher g.null.dev...@gmail.com: I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about subtags like barrier:key=yes/no/number. I've been trying to tag in useful ways for the blind and

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/3 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: Maybe these are better examples of what I meant, though I have seen the others in use in the same role. http://www.zjeastsea.com/en/lane-divider.html http://www.roadstud.com.cn/road-studs/61.html I wouldn't call them bollards - bollard implies to me

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types + barrier on top of each other or nested

2011-07-04 Thread fly
Am 01.07.2011 17:47, schrieb SomeoneElse: On 01/07/2011 16:49, fly wrote: A check on data how often these values are already used would be helpful, maybe we can accept some without voting. You mean like: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/barrier#values Thanks, Seems to me that there

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Am 04.07.2011 13:03, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher g.null.dev...@gmail.com: I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about subtags

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: add it to the proposal ? I do not know/find barrier=door. Didi I miss something or do you want to I do not want to add it, because I think that building=entrance does I'm using barrier=door from time to time

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using barrier=door from time to time when a private service street is closed by a door (not a gate) or a named path or footway, again when it is closed physically by a door

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-03 Thread Georg Feddern
Tobias Knerr schrieb: Erik Johansson wrote: I think turnstiles and full height turnstiles should be the barrier=turnstile, add some extra tag to differentiate them. I'm convinced that this point wouldn't come up if the English language didn't happen to use the term turnstile for both

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-02 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:37 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-02 Thread Tobias Knerr
Erik Johansson wrote: I think turnstiles and full height turnstiles should be the barrier=turnstile, add some extra tag to differentiate them. This has been discussed before, and in my opinion they are sufficiently different (how they look, whether you can jump over them, whether they tend to

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-02 Thread Gary Gallagher
Yes this is a great proposal. I've come across many examples where I've been unable to adequately tag ways. I like the extra stuff that helps tag entrances which has potential for tagging for the blind On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 19:37 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Folk, I rediscovered an old

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types + barrier on top of each other or nested

2011-07-01 Thread fly
Am 30.06.2011 19:37, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types + barrier on top of each other or nested

2011-07-01 Thread SomeoneElse
On 01/07/2011 16:49, fly wrote: A check on data how often these values are already used would be helpful, maybe we can accept some without voting. You mean like: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/barrier#values ? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-01 Thread Gary Gallagher
I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about subtags like barrier:key=yes/no/number. I've been trying to tag in useful ways for the blind and was wondering whether this sort of subtag could be

[Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On 06/30/2011 10:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread John F. Eldredge
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 06/30/2011 10:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: The rope barrier pictured is actually a crash fence commonly used as a cost saving measure on motorway medians in the US. thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it the next days. I guess the thing on the pic is a kind of

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/30/2011 7:13 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/6/30 Paul Johnsonba...@ursamundi.org: The rope barrier pictured is actually a crash fence commonly used as a cost saving measure on motorway medians in the US. thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it the next

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/30/2011 1:37 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status:

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On 06/30/2011 02:50 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 06/30/2011 10:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Stephen Hope
How about lane dividers? This is an example below, though where I'm thinking of them they actually divide a couple of lanes for about a km or so - no lane changing allowed at that point. http://www.ingalcivil.com.au/reboundable_lane_divider.html Stephen On 1 July 2011 03:37, M∡rtin

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread John F. Eldredge
aul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 06/30/2011 02:50 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 06/30/2011 10:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/30/11 9:06 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: This may be a factor of how low off the ground the bottom row of cables are located. Here in Tennessee, solid guardrails are mostly used. Cable barriers, when used, tend to have the bottom cable about the same distance off of the ground as the

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On 06/30/2011 05:35 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: How about lane dividers? This is an example below, though where I'm thinking of them they actually divide a couple of lanes for about a km or so - no lane changing allowed at that point. http://www.ingalcivil.com.au/reboundable_lane_divider.html