Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-30 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 30/03/2016 22:35, John F. Eldredge wrote: In the 19th century, a chandler was someone who made and sold candles, and so there were many chandlers who didn't deal in nautical supplies. When did the meaning shift? A couple of explanations, and lots of links, here:

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-30 Thread John F. Eldredge
In the 19th century, a chandler was someone who made and sold candles, and so there were many chandlers who didn't deal in nautical supplies. When did the meaning shift? On March 14, 2016 6:50:22 AM Richard wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 07:20:46AM +, Malcolm

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-19 Thread Richard
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 09:33:13AM +1100, Warin wrote: > On 16/03/2016 12:33 AM, Stefano wrote: > > > > > >2016-03-15 11:32 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring >>: > > > >On 15/03/2016 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Warin
On 16/03/2016 12:33 AM, Stefano wrote: 2016-03-15 11:32 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring >: On 15/03/2016 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: and do you go to the same shops? Yes. Chandleries cater for all

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Richard
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:45:57AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2016-03-15 11:32 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > > > Yes. Chandleries cater for all types of small craft. > > > > > +1 to shop=boat_supplies then +1, this is clearer than shop=marine and I

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Stefano
2016-03-15 11:32 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > On 15/03/2016 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> and do you go to the same shops? >> > > Yes. Chandleries cater for all types of small craft. > > > Chandlers are called also to supply materials and groceries to

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2016-03-15 05:38:46, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > Maybe "shop=boating_supplies"? Why not shop=boat then? We could have a sub-tag to define whether the shop actually sells boats or just supplies. Just need to figure out how that works exactly. No? I'm weary of introducing *yet*

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Andreas Labres
On 15.03.16 11:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-03-15 11:32 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring >: Yes. Chandleries cater for all types of small craft. +1 to shop=boat_supplies then +1 And this is an example I'd tag

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 15/03/2016 11:02, Colin Smale wrote: How would you define "small" in this context? Any pleasure craft, from one person inflatable dingies to luxury cruisers, and from sailboards to Larry Ellison's behemoth. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Colin Smale
How would you define "small" in this context? On 2016-03-15 11:32, Malcolm Herring wrote: > On 15/03/2016 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> and do you go to the same shops? > > Yes. Chandleries cater for all types of small craft. > > ___ >

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-03-15 11:32 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > Yes. Chandleries cater for all types of small craft. +1 to shop=boat_supplies then Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 15/03/2016 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: and do you go to the same shops? Yes. Chandleries cater for all types of small craft. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 15.03.2016 um 10:31 schrieb Richard Fairhurst : > > dieterdreist wrote: >> Maybe shop=sailing_supplies? Or ship_supplies? > > Some of us have boats (not ships) with engines (not sails). :) and do you go to the same shops? M

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 15.03.2016 um 00:45 schrieb Dave Swarthout : > > "Historically, pharmacies were also known as chemists in the UK and > Commonwealth. In the past one could buy many common chemicals from such > shops, and the pharmacists could compound other

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 15.03.2016 um 00:45 schrieb Dave Swarthout : > > A perhaps similar case exists in the tag shop=chemist. Few people use this > term outside of Europe and the U.K. yet it persists and clouds the tagging of > what most people would call a pharmacy

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 15/03/2016 09:31, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Some of us have boats (not ships) with engines (not sails).:) +1! Maybe "shop=boating_supplies"? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
dieterdreist wrote: > Maybe shop=sailing_supplies? Or ship_supplies? Some of us have boats (not ships) with engines (not sails). :) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/shop-marine-RFC-tp5869777p5869896.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
maybe chandler is a not so frequent term outside the UK (although I have found some relevant shops in Germany by searching for chandler and the name of a city), but I do believe that "marine" is too generic to be a good tag. Searching for marine shop I mostly found stuff related to the US

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Dave Swarthout
I think we've hit upon yet another instance where the colloquial usage of a term is causing problems. While I have heard of ship_chandlers before, the term is not as popular in many parts of the world as in England or Europe. Most mappers, especially younger ones, will throw up their hands upon

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Stefano
2016-03-14 23:28 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 14/03/2016 11:37 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >> Richard Z. wrote: >> >>> this meaning is not even in wiktionary. How many of those shops >>> would even know they are called chandler? >>> >> All of them, in my (fairly extensive)

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Warin
On 14/03/2016 11:37 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Richard Z. wrote: this meaning is not even in wiktionary. How many of those shops would even know they are called chandler? All of them, in my (fairly extensive) experience. http://reader.waterwaysworld.com/fullsearch.cgi?q=chandlery Richard

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Richard
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:02:36AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > I also found out there is *already* a shop=ship_chandler wiki page, > which I totally overlooked because, like others here, I had no idea what > a chandler meant. indeed, I have sailed in two oceans and in addition asked someone

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Antoine Beaupré
(Sorry for breaking threads, I only follow the non-MIME digest... :/) I see that the proposal is generally well received, although the exact keyword is debated. I am not sure how to resolve such situations in OSM. It seems like a classic localisation problem! For now, I have added the

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2016-03-14 at 19:41 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Andy, as I said, the term is a bit old fashioned. I came across that > derivation of the English surname Chandler when I was doing genealogy > and it stuck with me. > > http://www.dictionary.com/browse/chandler?s=t > > I have no idea

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Dave Swarthout
Andy, as I said, the term is a bit old fashioned. I came across that derivation of the English surname Chandler when I was doing genealogy and it stuck with me. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/chandler?s=t I have no idea what a modern candlemaker might be called LOL On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Z. wrote: > this meaning is not even in wiktionary. How many of those shops > would even know they are called chandler? All of them, in my (fairly extensive) experience. http://reader.waterwaysworld.com/fullsearch.cgi?q=chandlery Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Andy Townsend
On 14/03/2016 11:48, Richard wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 07:20:46AM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: The common name for such shops is "chandler". This is more specific to the type of shop you want to tag. "marine" is too broad a term this meaning is not even in wiktionary. How many of those

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Richard
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 07:20:46AM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: > The common name for such shops is "chandler". This is more specific to the > type of shop you want to tag. "marine" is too broad a term this meaning is not even in wiktionary. How many of those shops would even know they are

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-03-14 8:20 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > The common name for such shops is "chandler". This is more specific to the > type of shop you want to tag. "marine" is too broad a term +1 Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Dave Swarthout
@Tod, You are probably correct, as far as the OED is concerned. IMO that term is a bit old fashioned. I see most of those ship_chandler shops are in Europe which doesn't surprise me. In the U.S. the term "marine" or "marine supplies" is much more common. Taginfo reports shop=marine occurs 99

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Malcolm Herring
The common name for such shops is "chandler". This is more specific to the type of shop you want to tag. "marine" is too broad a term ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-13 Thread Dave Swarthout
shop=marine would be a useful addition IMO. My town of Homer, Alaska, is a commercial fishing area and it has several such shops. They sell fishing gear, clothing, navigation devices, fittings for boats (cleats, pullies, etc.), line and chain, boat finishing paints and lacquers, and