Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-24 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/23 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2012/5/23 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: So I end up with 4 ways (highway, 2 sidewalks, cyclelane), one relation (area) and some nodes (lowered kerbs). Of course this is more complex, but you also get a whole lot more of detail, I

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/5/23 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: So I end up with 4 ways (highway, 2 sidewalks, cyclelane), one relation (area) and some nodes (lowered kerbs). Of course this is more complex, but you also get a whole lot more of detail,

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-24 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
As long as (just my favorite example) you have to move x ways to move a street by a few meters, this will no succeed. Nobody says that we should not map buildings, bus stops, pubs, benches, restaurants, post boxes, streams, pubs, trees, advertising columns, etc. just because one would have to

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-23 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2012/5/22 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: What is needed (IMO!) is some kind of way (lets call it xway), that may consist of parts. Those parts run by default parallel and may only be moved nearer to/farther away from the center

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/23 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Let's have a look at a street around here: it has two general lanes, one cycle lane and two side walks. I should map this with: * one way is main way * two ways for the lanes * one way for the cycle lane * two ways for the side walk * one

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-23 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.comwrote: You have to keep in mind that most of the streets are in fact a collection of parallel features. Only at some points (junctions, ends) this might not be true. The proposed relation might(!) be a solution for some

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/23 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: Now if we had an editor that displayed some parallel lines if you put in cycleway=track, and maybe something similar on the standard rendering... A fancy renderer might take further tags about the degree and nature of separation into

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-23 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 23.05.2012 10:32, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2012/5/23 Martin Vonwaldimagic@gmail.com: * two ways for the sidewalk (if you like, mapped at the outside of the sidewalk so it can be used to generate easily the area of the street) -1 for the parantheses: mapping the sidewalk way at one

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-23 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/23 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2012/5/23 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Let's have a look at a street around here: it has two general lanes, one cycle lane and two side walks. I should map this with: * one way is main way * two ways for the lanes * one way for

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/23 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: So I end up with 4 ways (highway, 2 sidewalks, cyclelane), one relation (area) and some nodes (lowered kerbs). Of course this is more complex, but you also get a whole lot more of detail, I see it the other way around: the increase in complexity

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-23 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Wed, 23 May 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/5/23 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: If I want to move the street I have to move seven ways. why would you want to move a street that you have surveyed up to this level of detail? I think this is hypothetical (and btw: it is 6

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-22 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/22 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2012/5/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com -1, this has been discussed ad infinitum on the German list. I'm sure this was already suggested, but I would like to know: what if the sidewalk had the same name as the street, would that be enough?

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-22 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: -1, this has been discussed ad infinitum on the German list. Tagging the road with bicycle=no would be plain wrong, because it is not forbidden to use the road, you have the obligation to use the cycleway, which is quite different. This is

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/22 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: 2012/5/22 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2012/5/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com -1, this has been discussed ad infinitum on the German list. I'm sure this was already suggested, but I would like to know: what if the sidewalk had

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-22 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: See the area-relation-proposal if you are interested. Know it. Hate it. WAY to complex. IMO mapping parallel features would need some heavy support on the editors side. It could be done with the current data model, but I'm not sure if this

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/22/2012 10:07 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: E.g. if the cycleway is not suitable for your bike (e.g. you have a huge trailer, or it is damaged, or it is obstructed by stuff, or...) you will still be legally entitled to use the road. Also if the cycleway does not go where you want to go