Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
But is not possible to convert all the old sub_station in substation? The tag is same only correct. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Power-sub-station-vs-substation-tp5783760p5784779.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
On 09.11.2013 18:35, bredy wrote: But is not possible to convert all the old sub_station in substation? The tag is same only correct. You should add a subtag if transferring. @François: Would you please better explain the values for substation= and maybe add some pictures. Thanks fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
2013/11/9 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl +1 We should surely not make an automatic conversion of the tag. Keeping the old tag is useful for tracking substations that need reviewing. +1 I asked this question in another thread and got one suggestion: local_distribution. I have since tagged a few substations with minor_substation as 'local' is a somewhat ambiguous term (I admit that could also apply to 'minor) but I haven't documented anything so far. Did you use power=minor_substation or substation=minor_substation ? Taginfo dosen't know both of them. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/power=minor_substation http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/substation=minor_substation IMHO, using power=minor_substation isn't a good way regarding the rest of substation refinement proposal. We'd better make the distinguish with substation=* (and may we use substation=minor_distribution ?) to avoid any semantic and custom thresholds problem in the future (like it was for station/sub_station and like it's still for line/minor_line). For substations that are not for 'special purpose' (such as converter, traction etc) the recommendation is to use the value 'transmission' for substations having a highest operation voltage above 100 kV and 'distribution' for those below that voltage. There may be reasons to deviate from this rule but the average mapper having no special knowledge about a particular substation should stick to this rule. +1 to make it default. To definitely move on this voltage problem too. Specific situations for each countries could be detailed in the country power project page. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
+1 fly. Issue 230 isn't asking support modification for existing features. It only ask for the support of a new one. ITO world add this support in less than 2 hours after the proposal acceptance. Just my 2 cents. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/11/3 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com Am 03.11.2013 15:11, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: On 3 November 2013 13:48, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: I actually sent this mail because the main mapnik map won't be updated until the number of occurences of sub_station become low in tag-info. This is exactly one of the problems I was addressing in the discussion 'How to overcome lack of consensus'. Mapnik won't be updated until the usage has changed, and the usage won't changed until Mapnik has been updated. Therefore, it is effectively impossible to change tags. I see that as a major problem. What is the problem about supporting both tags for now ? Why is carto not supporting accepted tags ? The power proposal changes are a real success as they show that discussion and voting can lead to something. fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
On 3 November 2013 15:20, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: What is the problem about supporting both tags for now ? Why is carto not supporting accepted tags ? Don't ask me... I also don't see the problem. Note that Andy, the maintainer of the CartoCSS stylesheet, hasn't commented on this issue yet. I explicitly invited him to comment on it now. The power proposal changes are a real success as they show that discussion and voting can lead to something. I am happy that the proposal has been accepted, but I think it can only be considered a real success when the renderers (and editors) accept the new tags. Hopefully that won't take much longer... -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
François you'll need to be a bit patient. As long as the main mapnik map and the major editors don't support the new tag there won't be a quick switch to the new tag. The old sub_station tag (10 uses) will continue to exist for a very long time and renders should keep supporting it. At least the count for power=station seems to be decreasing now (somebody retagging?). Ole On 03/11/2013 00:14, François Lacombe wrote: Hi, As mentionned in the issue #230 on the main openstreetmap rendering github, the number of occurences of power=sub_station increased during the last 15 days. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/230#issuecomment-27632715 The new value power=substation was introduced not long ago and is the official value of power template for power substations on the wiki. It would be great to stop using the old value (sub_station) for new features, and edit the old ones (case by case, carefully) to suggest people to support the new tagging scheme. If you're knowledgable about power networks, you could add the substation=* tag to indicate the usefulness of the substation. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Substation#Substation_values Many thanks in advance. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
I think that problem is present because in Josm the value is not change? Is it possible to change this? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Power-sub-station-vs-substation-tp5783760p5783773.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
Hi Ole, I actually sent this mail because the main mapnik map won't be updated until the number of occurences of sub_station become low in tag-info. I think that Bredy is right saying JOSM isn't updated too but they are looking for icons to update presets. Thus, people should move to substation and that's not bad to remind them to do so. Cheers. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/11/3 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl François you'll need to be a bit patient. As long as the main mapnik map and the major editors don't support the new tag there won't be a quick switch to the new tag. The old sub_station tag (10 uses) will continue to exist for a very long time and renders should keep supporting it. At least the count for power=station seems to be decreasing now (somebody retagging?). Ole On 03/11/2013 00:14, François Lacombe wrote: Hi, As mentionned in the issue #230 on the main openstreetmap rendering github, the number of occurences of power=sub_station increased during the last 15 days. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap- carto/issues/230#issuecomment-27632715 The new value power=substation was introduced not long ago and is the official value of power template for power substations on the wiki. It would be great to stop using the old value (sub_station) for new features, and edit the old ones (case by case, carefully) to suggest people to support the new tagging scheme. If you're knowledgable about power networks, you could add the substation=* tag to indicate the usefulness of the substation. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Substation#Substation_values Many thanks in advance. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
On 3 November 2013 13:48, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: I actually sent this mail because the main mapnik map won't be updated until the number of occurences of sub_station become low in tag-info. This is exactly one of the problems I was addressing in the discussion 'How to overcome lack of consensus'. Mapnik won't be updated until the usage has changed, and the usage won't changed until Mapnik has been updated. Therefore, it is effectively impossible to change tags. I see that as a major problem. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
Am 03.11.2013 15:11, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: On 3 November 2013 13:48, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: I actually sent this mail because the main mapnik map won't be updated until the number of occurences of sub_station become low in tag-info. This is exactly one of the problems I was addressing in the discussion 'How to overcome lack of consensus'. Mapnik won't be updated until the usage has changed, and the usage won't changed until Mapnik has been updated. Therefore, it is effectively impossible to change tags. I see that as a major problem. What is the problem about supporting both tags for now ? Why is carto not supporting accepted tags ? The power proposal changes are a real success as they show that discussion and voting can lead to something. fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation
Hi, As mentionned in the issue #230 on the main openstreetmap rendering github, the number of occurences of power=sub_station increased during the last 15 days. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/230#issuecomment-27632715 The new value power=substation was introduced not long ago and is the official value of power template for power substations on the wiki. It would be great to stop using the old value (sub_station) for new features, and edit the old ones (case by case, carefully) to suggest people to support the new tagging scheme. If you're knowledgable about power networks, you could add the substation=* tag to indicate the usefulness of the substation. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Substation#Substation_values Many thanks in advance. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
