Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
By the way, isn't this moment where we should talk how to do seperate maps/layers for osm.org and how to deal with different kind of maps in general? It is clear that road and traffic map won't have all shops rendered (that would be serious overload of information), etc. Yes, we have already

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: By the way, isn't this moment where we should talk how to do seperate maps/layers for osm.org and how to deal with different kind of maps in general? It is clear that road and traffic map won't have all shops rendered (that would be serious overload of

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/12/14 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: By the way, isn't this moment where we should talk how to do seperate maps/layers for osm.org and how to deal with different kind of maps in general? It is clear that road and traffic map won't have all shops

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Where does proposed= is prohibited in the wiki?!? I was confused. Some day I will find the page that made me think that. It was a phrase like under no circumstances map proposed roads, but maybe it was in some weird

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 10:05, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah, and I think there is an unfortunate problem where the wiki/mappers don't want to tell the renderers what to do, and the renderers don't want to tell the mappers

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.12.2009 11:35, schrieb Steve Bennett: Sorry for the spam. Sort of. :) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stevage/tagsupport This is getting interesting. Side by side are now Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, and the Map Features wiki page. It's rather amusing, if a

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Maybe as a first step we'll iron out the unintended differences between the renderers. That would already be a huge success! If this is done Cool. Shall I leave that with you? :) Hint: Don't try to get it all right

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: What is core and what is not ? What is in the wiki Map Features ? A subset of those, probably. There is some really esoteric stuff in there. But anyone can add his tag, approved by 10 or 12 voters in the Map Features... You

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Mike N.
No. openstreetmap.org is not intended to become the better Google Maps. openstreetmap.org is a showcase for what you can do with our data. It cannot, and will not, host every map that someone could possibly want made from our data. Our data is there for the taking - you want OpenShopMap,

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Mike N. wrote: No. openstreetmap.org is not intended to become the better Google Maps. openstreetmap.org is a showcase for what you can do with our data. It cannot, and will not, host every map that someone could possibly want made from our data. Our data is there for the taking - you

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/12/14 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, Mike N. wrote: No. openstreetmap.org is not intended to become the better Google Maps. openstreetmap.org is a showcase for what you can do with our data. It cannot, and will not, host every map that someone could possibly want made from our

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: But what then is what we expect from default www.openstreetmap.org map? What is shown and what's not? The decision what to show and what not is made by the cartographer(s) who design the map, based on what they feel is important and what they feel works visually.

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 11:02, schrieb Pieren: What is core and what is not ? What is in the wiki Map Features ? But anyone can add his tag, approved by 10 or 12 voters in the Map Features... You cannot fix priorities for other people creating the data or other applications using the data. What is the

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Sorry, I don't get it. http://osm.org/go/0D60u1j3 shows some power=line in the mapnik layer. Thanks for bringing this up, this was actually a bug in my code. Mapnik doesn't use filters for certain tags (as discussed

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Mike N.
The rendering rules doesn't matter a lot in this regard. It only displays a cycleway with a certain color, thickness and such - so it can be recognized as a cycleway. What the mapper wants to describe with highway=cycleway and what a map user understands out of this is basically out of the

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 11:59, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: Btw, I do think that OpenHikingMap should interpret highway=cycleway exactly the same way as OpenCycleMap, OpenSwimMap, OpenMarijuanaMap...etc. They will each render it differently,

[Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
Sorry for the spam. Sort of. :) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stevage/tagsupport This is getting interesting. Side by side are now Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, and the Map Features wiki page. It's rather amusing, if a little depressing, seeing how little correlation

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Actually, it would be nice to have tag usage statistics from tagwatch or osmdoc in the table, too +1 ! ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: The number of redlinks (undocumented tags) is also somewhat alarming The majority of redlinks are tags that are composed from a set of possible keys and possible values that can be arbitrarily combined. True, although

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Partly because of differences in the intention of the renderers. It makes a difference if you want to have a nice map or if you want to aid in editing. Yeah, of course. The hypothetical SkiOSM renderer would

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 01:29, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Partly because of differences in the intention of the renderers. It makes a difference if you want to have a nice map or if you want to aid in editing. Yeah, of