On 1/29/2020 6:14 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
The healthcare=* tags were formally proposed and voted on 10 years ago.
Included in that proposal (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=1318635 ) was the idea
that dual-tagging some features with both amenity=*/healthcare=* would
be the
On 30/1/20 11:43 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 23:31 by doerr.step...@gmail.com:
On 29/01/2020 16:12, Jmapb wrote:
IMO, unilaterally deprecating
healthcare=clinic/dentist/doctor/hospital
on the healthcare=* page is a bit heavyhanded. These
29 Jan 2020, 23:31 by doerr.step...@gmail.com:
> On 29/01/2020 16:12, Jmapb wrote:
>> IMO, unilaterally deprecating healthcare=clinic/dentist/doctor/hospital
>> on the healthcare=* page is a bit heavyhanded. These are part of a voted
>> and approved proposal.
>>
>
> Completely unacceptable if t
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 18:08, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> The problem is that new users of iD do not know that they are adding
> tags like healthcare=pharmacy and dispensing=yes.
>
> I reviewed the pharmcies in the cities I have mapped, and found that I
> had added healthcare=pharmacy to 8 features
> I just checked. iD now (confusingly) calls the preset for this a "pharmacy
> counter" rather than a pharmacy, although the tags are for a pharmacy.
> There is an option, pre-ticked, for dispensing. You can chose to untick
> it.
> It's also in the raw tag list, of course.
>
> Paul
Thank you. I
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 09:17, Kevin Kenny wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:09 PM Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>
> > Also they all have dispensing=yes, which is mostly true I think, but I
> > do not recall checking any option to add this, which makes me question
> > whether the tag has any meaning
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 23:09, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> Also they all have dispensing=yes, which is mostly true I think, but I
> do not recall checking any option to add this, which makes me question
> whether the tag has any meaning when it is automatically added by iD.
>
I just checked. iD
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:09 PM Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> The problem is that new users of iD do not know that they are adding
> tags like healthcare=pharmacy and dispensing=yes.
>
> I reviewed the pharmcies in the cities I have mapped, and found that I
> had added healthcare=pharmacy to 8 featu
On 29/01/2020 17:04, Paul Allen wrote:
So it looks like
dual-tagging is going to become the norm any time iD comes up with an
alternative way of tagging something.
Is that what actually happened?
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> The healthcare=* tags were formally proposed and voted on 10 years ago.
> Included in that proposal (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=1318635 ) was the idea
> that dual-tagging some features with both amenity=*/healthcare=* would
> be the norm until the healthcare=* tags had wi
The problem is that new users of iD do not know that they are adding
tags like healthcare=pharmacy and dispensing=yes.
I reviewed the pharmcies in the cities I have mapped, and found that I
had added healthcare=pharmacy to 8 features unintentionally, since I
used iD for my first year of mappping.
The wiki can be edited by anyone, if there are problems with the text.
My preferred method is to shoot first and ask questions later, in the
American tradition.
I've edited the Key:healthcare page to focus more on the current
situation, remove the strikethrough text from these features, while it
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 07:08, Jmapb wrote:
>
> Although I feel that iD's a bit forceful with this stuff and should give
> users more information about what they're choosing to "upgrade,"
They sort of do.
If you look at the link I put up earlier
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=21/-28.076
On 29/01/2020 16:12, Jmapb wrote:
On 1/29/2020 8:50 AM, Lionel Giard wrote:
That's clearer when we get all the history thank you Joseph ! :-)
I agree with you that the added value of duplicating the key is very
limited, so i understand your edit on the wiki. ^_^
IMO, unilaterally deprecating
On 1/29/2020 2:23 PM, Andrew Hain wrote:
Is it time for another controversial decisions page then?
The healthcare=* tags were formally proposed and voted on 10 years ago.
Included in that proposal (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=1318635 ) was the idea
that dual-tagging some f
Is it time for another controversial decisions page then?
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at
Jan 29, 2020, 14:32 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com:
> history
>
I added history section to healthcare=hospital page intending to document and
explain
origin, history and controversy around this tag
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:healthcare%3Dhospital#Tag_history
Feel free to improve and
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 16:39, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
> for things like pharmacies or hospitals this is only true as long as iD
> also adds the tags that carto supports along the “non-standard” tags, or
> their users will complain about things not showing up on “the map”.
Or until carto gi
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> On 29. Jan 2020, at 14:49, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> Like it or not, iD has more influence on tagging than this list or carto
> does. If
> iD decides a certain tag should be used in preference to an alternative, or
> that
> dual-tagging should happen, then that's what happen
On 1/29/2020 8:50 AM, Lionel Giard wrote:
That's clearer when we get all the history thank you Joseph ! :-)
I agree with you that the added value of duplicating the key is very
limited, so i understand your edit on the wiki. ^_^
IMO, unilaterally deprecating healthcare=clinic/dentist/doctor/ho
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 07:25, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> > iD also brings up the "suggestion" that existing amenity=clinic, pharmacy &
> > (I think) dentist tags by themselves are "incomplete" & should be upgraded
> > by adding healthcare=
> > eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=21/-28.0764
That's clearer when we get all the history thank you Joseph ! :-)
I agree with you that the added value of duplicating the key is very
limited, so i understand your edit on the wiki. ^_^
Le mer. 29 janv. 2020 à 14:49, Paul Allen a écrit :
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 13:34, Joseph Eisenberg
> wro
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 13:34, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> I looked up the history again, and it's clear that the healthcare tags
> which duplicated common amenity tags were never popular until they
> were added to the iD presets in 2017:
>
Like it or not, iD has more influence on tagging than this
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 13:19, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> Changing this would require all database users, including all 4 map
> styles on openstreetmap.org, to change what features are rendered, for
> no clear benefit, and would also require retagging millions of
> features.
>
Retagging need not
I looked up the history again, and it's clear that the healthcare tags
which duplicated common amenity tags were never popular until they
were added to the iD presets in 2017:
https://taghistory.raifer.tech - compare "healthcare=pharmacy" and
"amenity=pharmacy" - the Healthcare proposal was approv
> "The idea is to slowly deprecate the amenity tag"
I don't see why we should deprecate a key used millions of times for
important features like schools, hospitals, pharmacies, banks, gas
stations, and parking lots.
Changing this would require all database users, including all 4 map
styles on ope
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 12:51, Lionel Giard wrote:
Is there something that i am missing here ? ^_^
>
Rendering. Dual-tagging by iD is to get the new tags in place whilst
retaining the old tags until standard carto (at least) decides to render the
new tags. Given iD's relationship with Mapbox, I
If i understood correctly the objective of the revamping of healthcare is
to change the old way of tagging all these "amenity" (hospital, clinic,
pharmacy, ...) and use the "healthcare" key instead. But at the moment, the
preset is using both tags at the same time. So i'm asking the following
quest
> iD also brings up the "suggestion" that existing amenity=clinic, pharmacy &
> (I think) dentist tags by themselves are "incomplete" & should be upgraded
> by adding healthcare=
> eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=21/-28.07641/153.42326
That's interesting. I wonder if there is a way to fi
Healthcare is a 'new' key. Of course it is going to have less use than the
older tags.
It is not all about numbers, but also a logical system.
The key amenity is not that logical, it includes many different types of things.
Logically a road is an amenity yet OSM excludes them from the key amen
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 02:35, Jmapb wrote:
>
> At some point it appeared to me that iD was automatically adding the
> equivalent healthcare=* tags to some amenities -- but it may have
> actually been iD's "branding" bot that did that, matching amenities with
> certain names.
>
iD also brings up
On 1/28/2020 9:23 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
The pages are nearly identical.
Actually, the healthcare=pharmacy page was just made recently by
copying the amenity=pharmacy page. Before it was only documented
minimally at Key:healthcare
I believe the mappers who developed the healthcare=* schem
The pages are nearly identical.
Actually, the healthcare=pharmacy page was just made recently by copying
the amenity=pharmacy page. Before it was only documented minimally at
Key:healthcare
> Is the dispensing tag also suggested for the healthcare pharmacies?
>
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There could be different kinds of pharmacy, e.g. with dispensing=yes and
no. Is the dispensing tag also suggested for the healthcare pharmacies?
Cheers,
Martin
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Le 28.01.20 à 13:45, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit :
> I think it would be reasonable to show healthcare=pharmacy,
> healthcare=hospital, healthcare=dentist and healthcare=doctor as
> discouraged and unnecessary in the wiki.
you take 2 tags out of their context, these 2 tags have their logic in
the hop
It came to my attention that healthcare=pharmacy is almost only used
in addition to the more common tag amenity=pharmacy:
99.7% of healthcare=pharmacy features are also tagged with
amenity=pharmacy:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=healthcare&value=pharmacy#combinations
The situation i
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