Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-06-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
1 Jun 2019, 11:05 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > Le 01.06.19 à 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > >> It's not much use knowing that there's one in the museum, >> if you then have no idea where! >> > > EDIT: fix a wrong word > > in some places it is still very useful information to know

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-06-01 Thread marc marc
Le 01.06.19 à 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > It's not much use knowing that there's one in the museum, > if you then have no idea where! EDIT: fix a wrong word in some places it is still very useful information to know that a POI has an changing table, it will be enough to ask it for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-06-01 Thread marc marc
Le 01.06.19 à 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > It's not much use knowing that there's one in the museum, > if you then have no idea where! in some places it is still very useful information to know that a POI has an establishment, it will be enough to ask it for its location. it is always

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-06-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jun 2019, at 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I thought that the idea was that this tag would show where the changing room > (room with the change table) is? > > It's not much use knowing that there's one in the museum, if you then have no > idea where!

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-06-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 18:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > we are not going to tag the changing table itself with this tag, rather we > will be tagging that a feature (like a restaurant, a shop, a museum, a > bathroom or a cafe) provides a changing table. > I thought that the idea was that this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-28 Thread althio
Hi tagging, hi Warin, Sorry to interrupt, but I disagree at this point. * * * TL;DR: changing_table: "A tag for tagging changing tables" was indeed bad. changing_table: "provides a surface for changing the nappy (diaper) of an infant or young child" is just right (explains that "table" can be a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-27 Thread Warin
On 27/05/19 20:27, Valor Naram wrote: Did it, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description From: Martin Koppenhoefer To: &quo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-27 Thread Valor Naram
Did it, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing descriptionFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. May 2019, at 04:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Almost agree :) > > "A surface for replacing the nappy (diaper) of an infant or young child" > > Might remove the "young child" for brevity? > > Martin? I agree with Joseph‘s wife, as it is about a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-26 Thread Warin
On 27/05/19 12:02, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I agree that the subject is missing (I'm a native American English speaker). My wife suggests: "provides a surface for changing the nappy (diaper) of an infant or young child" Almost agree :) "A surface for replacing the nappy (diaper) of an infant

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that the subject is missing (I'm a native American English speaker). My wife suggests: "provides a surface for changing the nappy (diaper) of an infant or young child" On 5/27/19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 26/05/19 19:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Am So., 26. Mai

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-26 Thread Warin
On 26/05/19 19:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am So., 26. Mai 2019 um 02:08 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com >: Could become "Provides for replacing the nappy/diaper of very young children." I am not a native speaker, to me this sentence looks

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 26. Mai 2019 um 02:08 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > Could become "Provides for replacing the nappy/diaper of very young > children." I am not a native speaker, to me this sentence looks as if a subject was missing? Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-25 Thread Warin
On 25/05/19 18:58, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 25. May 2019, at 09:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Key:baby_changing_table Definition: Provides a place for changing the nappy/diaper of babies or young children. Pedantic hat on. Self references: babies ...

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. May 2019, at 09:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Key:baby_changing_table Definition: Provides a place for changing the > nappy/diaper of babies or young children. > > Pedantic hat on. > > Self references: > babies ... plural of baby > changing -

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-25 Thread Warin
- Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org CC: On 25/05/19 17:15, Valor Naram wrote: > Hey all, > > something else t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-25 Thread Valor Naram
Did ithttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table"A place for replacing the nappy/diaper of very young children." Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing descriptionFrom: Warin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-25 Thread Warin
On 25/05/19 17:15, Valor Naram wrote: Hey all, something else that needs to be discussed/improved before starting the second voting? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table Key:baby_changing_table Definition: Provides a place for changing the nappy/diaper

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-25 Thread Valor Naram
Hey all,something else that needs to be discussed/improved before starting the second voting?CheerioSören alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing descriptionFrom: Valor Naram To: "Tag discussion, str

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-24 Thread Valor Naram
Ok. Changed itSee https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing descriptionFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 23. Mai 2019 um 10:52 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram : > I have changed the description for the proposal at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table as > suggested. current description reads: "Provides the infrastructure for changing the nappy/diaper of babies or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-23 Thread Warin
On 23/05/19 18:51, Valor Naram wrote: I have changed the description for the proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table as suggested. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-23 Thread Valor Naram
I have changed the description for the proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table as suggested. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing descriptionFrom: marc marc To: tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 01:03, Warin a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table > 'self referencing description' > So what is a better description for OSM use? > "an aid to replacing human, usually babies, nappies/diaper" someone in the profession pointed out that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-22 Thread Warin
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table The present definition for the tag 'changing_table' is "A tag for tagging changing tables". This is a 'self referencing description'. One way of testing/demonstrating this is to remove any words in the description that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-22 Thread marc marc
alias Valor Naram > > > ---- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table > From: Michael Brandtner via Tagging > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > CC: Michael Brandtner > > > I think that this is a language issue

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-22 Thread Valor Naram
Yes, right. Sry for this. I learnt that "floor" means "Flur" in german language. Seems to be incorrect. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing tableFrom: Michael Brandtner via Tagging To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgCC: Michael Brandtner I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-22 Thread Michael Brandtner via Tagging
I think that this is a language issue and the hallway (German "Flur") is meant, not the floor. Am Dienstag, 21. Mai 2019, 03:11:32 MESZ hat marc marc Folgendes geschrieben: Hello, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table questions / minor suggestions

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread marc marc
Hello, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table questions / minor suggestions : in changing_table:location=room what's the usecase of : "or the floor to the toilets" ? maybe just drop it. if someone wants to put their child on the floor, I don't see how we could

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread Warin
presence is, nor should change table. For change table it is the provision of the activity. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table From: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: Am Mo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread Valor Naram
then it's a property Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing tableFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: Am Mo., 20. Mai 2019 um 12:36 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram :> [...] so if you intend to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 20. Mai 2019 um 12:36 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram : > > [...] so if you intend to replace this, yours would likely become a > property (only) as well > Ok. Does it matter? From what I understood so far most wiki pages describe > `properties` e.g.: Key `highway` the difference of a feature

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread Valor Naram
> [...] so if you intend to replace this, yours would likely become a property (only) as wellOk. Does it matter? From what I understood so far most wiki pages describe `properties` e.g.: Key `highway`CheerioValor Naram alias Sören Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 20. Mai 2019 um 11:00 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram : > > From what I understand, the tag seems to be intended as a property only > (requires a "feature" to add to), right? > > It intends to deprecate the diaper key which is currently used for tagging > changing tables. To be precise, the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread Valor Naram
> From what I understand, the tag seems to be intended as a property only (requires a "feature" to add to), right?It intends to deprecate the diaper key which is currently used for tagging changing tables. I will deprecate the key for some reasons:- Key `diaper` is poor documented- Key `diaper`

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 20. Mai 2019 um 07:07 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram : > What do you mean with "feature"? Do you mean the whole proposal? Do you > mean the "feature" subtag ( changing_table:features )? "feature" is referring to whatever thing you are intending the tag for, or "property" if it is intended as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread Warin
ually on a table." On 20/05/19 15:05, Valor Naram wrote: What do you mean with "feature"? Do you mean the whole proposal? Do you mean the "feature" subtag ( changing_table:features )? Original Message ---- Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-19 Thread Valor Naram
What do you mean with "feature"? Do you mean the whole proposal? Do you mean the "feature" subtag ( changing_table:features )? Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing tableFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-19 Thread Warin
On 20/05/19 06:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 04:32, Valor Naram > wrote: Hey guys, my first proposal has been rejected for some reason. I have rewritten my proposal to hopefully please the critic. Please check it out:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 04:32, Valor Naram wrote: > Hey guys, > > my first proposal has been rejected for some reason. I have rewritten my > proposal to hopefully please the critic. Please check it out: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table Corrected typo in link

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. May 2019, at 20:31, Valor Naram wrote: > > I have rewritten my proposal to hopefully please the critic. Please check it > out: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_featu res/changing_table > > Author: Valor Naram > Definition: A tag to mark the possibility

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-19 Thread Valor Naram
Hey guys, my first proposal has been rejected for some reason. I have rewritten my proposal to hopefully please the critic. Please check it out: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_featu res/changing_table Author: Valor Naram Definition: A tag to mark the possibility to change the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-18 Thread Jan S
Hi Valor, Thanks for reducing your proposal. I could go with it. Still, it's up to the programming guys to say whether the changing of the name of the key from diaper to changing_table is somehow problematic. Best, Jan Am 18. Mai 2019 11:28:31 MESZ schrieb Valor Naram : >Hey guys, > >my first

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-18 Thread Valor Naram
Hey guys, my first proposal regarding changing tables were rejected because of being "too complex". I will give it a second chance and provide you with the v2.0 of it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_featu res/changing_table Author: Valor Naram Definition: A tag to mark the