Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-18 Thread marc marc
Le 18. 11. 17 à 21:50, Ilya Zverev a écrit : > marc marc wrote: >> what do you think of the different issues raised? whether your >> proposal is adopted or rejected, it will be difficult to implement. >> Would it not be better to cancel the current vote in order to improve >> the proposal with

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-18 Thread Yves
Le 18 novembre 2017 21:50:10 GMT+01:00, Ilya Zverev a écrit : >What happens if >we approve an imperfect proposal? > >Ilya > I guess there always will be enough people to to reject it. The proposal process is probably unable to get big proposals on common features to pass. I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-18 Thread Ilya Zverev
marc marc wrote: what do you think of the different issues raised? whether your proposal is adopted or rejected, it will be difficult to implement. Would it not be better to cancel the current vote in order to improve the proposal with the problems raised ? Did you read the Talk page? I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-18 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 18. 11. 17 à 14:32, Ilya Zverev a écrit : > not on the quality of the proposal what do you think of the different issues raised? whether your proposal is adopted or rejected, it will be difficult to implement. Would it not be better to cancel the current vote in order to improve the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-18 Thread Ilya Zverev
Hi, I'd like to remind you to read the Metro Mapping proposal and to leave your verdict in the Voting section. There is a week left until the voting is closed. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Metro_Mapping There are a few votes that are obviously based on authority,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-17 Thread Max
On 2017년 11월 17일 08:01, José G Moya Y. wrote: Martin, I don't think authorities welcome a detailed map of inner areas in stations/airports. They will show a security concern. This was never a concern in OSM and it hopefully never will be. There can't be (self)censorship.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-11-17 8:01 GMT+01:00 José G Moya Y. : > > Martin, I don't think authorities welcome a detailed map of inner areas in > stations/airports. They will show a security concern. > I guess this will depend on many factors, and will differ between different locations. I didn't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-16 Thread José G Moya Y .
Thanks for the suggestion, Marc. Martin, I don't think authorities welcome a detailed map of inner areas in stations/airports. They will show a security concern. Yours, José. El 17/11/2017 0:27, "marc marc" escribió: > On 16. Nov 2017, at 23:17, José G Moya Y.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-16 Thread marc marc
On 16. Nov 2017, at 23:17, José G Moya Y. wrote: >> you can press the intercom button, wait for response, and get the door >> opened without having to buy another ticket wheelchair=limited ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Nov 2017, at 23:17, José G Moya Y. wrote: > > Just to clarify the situation: > I'm sure you can press the intercom button, wait for response, and get the > door opened without having to buy another ticket. But the question is you are > not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-16 Thread José G Moya Y .
Just to clarify the situation: I'm sure you can press the intercom button, wait for response, and get the door opened without having to buy another ticket. But the question is you are not making disabled people autonomous if you make them follow such slow process. There are other weird situations

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-16 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:23:47 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > IMHO you should try to solve it on a political/administrative level, > rather than map this particular shortcoming in OSM. One of the things I like about OSM is that it maps the world as it is, not the world

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-11-10 16:13 GMT+01:00 José G Moya Y. : > How do you map this situation: > You can enter with wheelchair to Pacifico Metro Station metro line 1. > You can enter with wheelchair to Pacifico Metro Station line 6. > You can't go with wheelchair from line 6 to line 1 (or vice

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-11 Thread Antoine Riche
Apologies for joining the discussion slightly late, I was offline yesterday. For transparency, I shall first state that my company Carto'Cité has a contract with SNCF to "look after" 380 railway stations in the Greater Paris area. This is how I detected Ilya's changeset

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread Jo
I, for one, prefer to have the platform node/way and its corresponding stop_position in 1 stop_area relation per direction of travel or per platform (in bus stations). I don't mind adding the shelter, waste_basket, bench, ticket_vending_device, announcement_board to such a relation. Then these

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread marc marc
Le 10. 11. 17 à 17:45, Ilya Zverev a écrit : > Your "why change" argument looks weird with this sentence, by the way. I will rephrase my question. What are the benefits of your proposal ? What is the problem with the current situation and how does your proposal improve it ? the main change

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread Ilya Zverev
marc marc wrote: > with so many modifications, it would have been useful in my opinion to > call for comments a second time before the vote. I even think that a > 15-day vote to make the current mapping of the majority of the big > stations INVALID is a bit short. I posted news about the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread Ilya Zverev
José G Moya Y. wrote: > How do you map this situation: > You can enter with wheelchair to Pacifico Metro Station metro line 1. > You can enter with wheelchair to Pacifico Metro Station line 6. > You can't go with wheelchair from line 6 to line 1 (or vice versa) without > paying > your metro fee

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread Ilya Zverev
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sorry for asking so late, but why should we deprecate mapping subway stations > with a relation or a way and insist on nodes? There are already a significant > number of stations mapped like this. I would also not write: "The location of > the node is irrelevant."

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread José G Moya Y .
Hi! How do you map this situation: You can enter with wheelchair to Pacifico Metro Station metro line 1. You can enter with wheelchair to Pacifico Metro Station line 6. You can't go with wheelchair from line 6 to line 1 (or vice versa) without paying your metro fee again. To do so, you have to go

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 10. 11. 17 à 15:30, Ilya Zverev a écrit : > After six weeks of discussion and improvements, I am happy to start the > voting on my proposal about mapping metro stations and lines: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Metro_Mapping with so many modifications, it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-11-10 15:38 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > sorry for asking so late, but why should we deprecate mapping subway > stations with a relation or a way and insist on nodes? There are already a > significant number of stations mapped like this. I would also not write: >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sorry for asking so late, but why should we deprecate mapping subway stations with a relation or a way and insist on nodes? There are already a significant number of stations mapped like this. I would also not write: "The location of the node is irrelevant." or "There is nothing wrong with putting

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-10 Thread Ilya Zverev
Hi everyone, After six weeks of discussion and improvements, I am happy to start the voting on my proposal about mapping metro stations and lines: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Metro_Mapping Note that the proposal mostly compiles mapping practices already in use and