Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-15 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-10-15 09:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : > > sent from a phone > >> Am 14.10.2015 um 23:49 schrieb André Pirard : >> >> Under the thread "château" I pointed out that there are buildings that can >> be called château ≃ castle and that are not historic at all. > > the question what is histor

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 14.10.2015 um 23:49 schrieb André Pirard : > > Under the thread "château" I pointed out that there are buildings that can be > called château ≃ castle and that are not historic at all. the question what is historic is a philosophical one. Anyway, some château are cast

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-14 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-10-11 08:25, Mateusz Konieczny wrote : > Castle as in "a type of fortified structure built in Europe and the > Middle East during the Middle Ages by nobility". > > Unfortunately obvious historic=castle fails - as it is defined and > used as "(often fortified) buildings from medieval and mod

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-14 11:47 GMT+02:00 John Willis : > The castle is an theme park attraction, like all the other things there. convinced, those are likely neither historic=castle nor buiding=castle. I think the hearst castle could have both tags, but have not been there either. Better also add a start_da

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-14 Thread John Willis
If you ever see the disney castles - espcially the original in California - they may be steel a reinforced structure, but it is an office building/hotel building styled as a castle. The outside is fiberglass/reinforced decorations to look like a castle. It is also very foreshortened for viewing

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-13 23:57 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > So .. what is the difference between a building and a castle? > > A castle has a building inside a defensive wall, usually the building is > separate from the wall to enhance the building security. > IMHO a castle is a kind of building

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-13 23:27 GMT+02:00 John Willis : > Does this include plastic disney castles? > > Those are definitely psuedo-castles. > are they "more pseudo" than Neuschwanstein (the "original")? Why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuschwanstein_Castle This WP article suggests the Cinderella Castle i

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-13 Thread johnw
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Past practice might be to tag the outer wall as a barrier if one exists. And > then tag the building as a building. > > And that might be the 'best' solution - no separate tag for 'castle'. > This can lead to tagging the ou

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-13 Thread Warin
On 14/10/2015 3:42 AM, NopMap wrote: Warin wrote http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dcastle ). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:castle_type And then fully document the castle_type used. As no other castle_type is documented, it would be a first. Why do you say that no cast

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-13 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:42 AM, NopMap wrote: > > Therefore I think > that a very general tag historic=castle and a subtag for refinement is a > better idea, even if the actual meaning is more like "castle-like building". Does this include plastic disney castles? Those are definitely psuedo-c

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-13 Thread NopMap
Warin wrote >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dcastle ). >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:castle_type > > And then fully document the castle_type used. As no other castle_type is > documented, it would be a first. Why do you say that no castle_type is documented? castl

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-11 10:21 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > As one of the castle types is castrum > > .. a Roamn castle .. and they predate the middle ages .. > > I would simply tag it as > > histor

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-13 5:29 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis : > p.s. I only know some German from holidays and police series, so perhaps > Martin or someone else can confirm this ? > > confirm ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-13 Thread Warin
On 11/10/2015 6:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 11.10.2015 um 08:25 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : Castle as in "a type of fortified structure built in Europe and the Middle East during the Middle Ages by nobility". Unfortunately obvious historic=castle fails - as it is d

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-12 Thread johnw
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I think the intention is to use "defensive" now: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:castle_type > The interesting thing about these definitions is that the US White House

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-12 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:11 PM, John Willis wrote: > This historic places map has a list of castle types, > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Historical_Objects/Karteneigenschaften > There is "Shiro" in the list, which is marked a Japanese Burg. > > > Sorry for the confusion, the wiki page

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-12 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 12, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > This historic places map has a list of castle types, > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Historical_Objects/Karteneigenschaften > There is "Shiro" in the list, which is marked a Japanese Burg. Its up now and I looked through it. I take

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-11 Thread Marc Gemis
This historic places map has a list of castle types, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Historical_Objects/Karteneigenschaften There is "Shiro" in the list, which is marked a Japanese Burg. Unfortunately, there website is out of service at the moment due to hard disk problems. regards m On S

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-11 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Castle as in "a type of fortified structure built in Europe and the > Middle East during the Middle Ages by nobility". We'll have to append "and Asia" on that. There are castles all over Japan (China too?), and I know at least one is

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 11.10.2015 um 08:25 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : > > Castle as in "a type of fortified structure built in Europe and the > Middle East during the Middle Ages by nobility". > > Unfortunately obvious historic=castle fails - as it is defined and > used as "(often fortified)

[Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Castle as in "a type of fortified structure built in Europe and the Middle East during the Middle Ages by nobility". Unfortunately obvious historic=castle fails - as it is defined and used as "(often fortified) buildings from medieval and modern times" and includes nearly everything - for example