Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Peter Elderson]

@Steve Interesting fact that even within Oxford resources the definitions
differ. 4
I also did a picture search for "barn" on google, and noticed that "barn"
for the type of building is shared widely, but the usage has endless
variation (stuff, cattle, crop, retail, storage, restaurants, culture), and
that does not stop at the UK border.


2018-05-04 15:09 GMT+02:00 Steve Doerr :

> On 04/05/2018 10:18, pelderson wrote:
>
> Van: Volker Schmidt  
>
>
> > The problem is that (British) English does not have a word for a generic
> animal-stable. "stable" is for horses. "cow shed" is for bovines, "pigsty"
> for pigs.
> > In the US a "barn" may include animal sheltering, but not in UK-English.
>
>
> > The Oxford does not make that distiction. Generally, barn and shed are
> about what the building looks like. That would be consistent with
> building=*. The usage or function of the building is a much more fleeting
> > attribute, which should imho be tagged separately.
>
> Actually, the Oxford English Dictionary has these definitions for 'barn' (
> http://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/15619):
>
>  a. A covered building for the storage of grain; and, in wider usage, of
> hay, straw, flax, and other produce of the earth.
>
>  b. Applied to: A barn-like building for worship.
>
>  c. A stable or cattle-house. U.S.
>
> Note that the animal usage is marked 'U.S.'.
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Dave Swarthout]

Let me make just one additional comment.

In the U.S. we hear the term "shed roof" frequently. Such a roof is flat
and is higher on one side than the other; rain and snow run downhill as it
were and drop off the low side. Hence, IMO, a shed would be any small
auxiliary building found on farm, home, or factory that has a flat, sloping
roof. (building=shed)

Cheers,

Dave

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Rachele Amerini 
wrote:

> Thank you all. Then if in UK English we can use 'barn' to indicate a
> building that may include animal sheltering I think it would solve my
> question.
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Rachele Amerini]

Thank you all. Then if in UK English we can use 'barn' to indicate a
building that may include animal sheltering I think it would solve my
question.

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Steve Doerr]

On 04/05/2018 10:18, pelderson wrote:

Van: Volker Schmidt  


> The problem is that (British) English does not have a word for a 
generic animal-stable. "stable" is for horses. "cow shed" is for 
bovines, "pigsty" for pigs.

> In the US a "barn" may include animal sheltering, but not in UK-English.


> The Oxford does not make that distiction. Generally, barn and shed 
are about what the building looks like. That would be consistent with 
building=*. The usage or function of the building is a much more fleeting

> attribute, which should imho be tagged separately.

Actually, the Oxford English Dictionary has these definitions for 'barn' 
(http://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/15619):


 a. A covered building for the storage of grain; and, in wider usage, 
of hay, straw, flax, and other produce of the earth.


 b. Applied to: A barn-like building for worship.

 c. A stable or cattle-house. U.S.

Note that the animal usage is marked 'U.S.'.

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Philip Barnes]

On 4 May 2018 09:52:08 BST, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>The problem is that (British) English does not have a word for a
>generic
>animal-stable. "stable" is for horses. "cow shed" is for bovines,
>"pigsty"
>for pigs.
>In the US a "barn" may include animal sheltering, but not in
>UK-English.


Barn is widely used in UK English to describe these buildings. It seems the 
obvious choice. 

Phil (trigpoint) 

>
>
>On 4 May 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer 
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> On 4. May 2018, at 07:23, marc marc 
>wrote:
>>
>> building=farm_auxiliary
>>
>> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*
>>
>>
>> this combination makes no sense.
>> building value is about appearance.
>> so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed
>>
>>
>>
>> +1, also building=stable or building=pigsty etc. would be ok
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*
>>
>>
>> or building:usage ?
>> but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.
>>
>>
>>
>> for animal related features there is the key “animal”, the most used
>value
>> is “yes” https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/animal#values
>> its wiki page suggests keys like cat=yes etc
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animals
>>
>> IMHO for a pigsty pigs would be implicit.
>>
>> building=farm_auxiliary is a more generic “I don’t know it well, but
>it’s
>> part of a farm and not a residential building”-tag. I would prefer
>more
>> specific building values if you do know better.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[pelderson]

The Oxford does not make that distiction. Generally, barn and shed are about 
what the building looks like. That would be consistent with building=*. The 
usage or function of the building is a much more fleeting attribute, which 
should imho be tagged separately. 


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 Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Volker Schmidt <vosc...@gmail.com> 
Datum: 04-05-18  10:52  (GMT+01:00) Aan: "Tag discussion, strategy and related 
tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org> Onderwerp: Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic 
sheds 
The problem is that (British) English does not have a word for a generic 
animal-stable. "stable" is for horses. "cow shed" is for bovines, "pigsty" for 
pigs.
In the US a "barn" may include animal sheltering, but not in UK-English.


On 4 May 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:


sent from a phone
On 4. May 2018, at 07:23, marc marc <marc_marc_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

building=farm_auxiliary
farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*

this combination makes no sense.
building value is about appearance.
so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed


+1, also building=stable or building=pigsty etc. would be ok



farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*

or building:usage ?
but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.

for animal related features there is the key “animal”, the most used value is 
“yes” https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/animal#valuesits wiki page 
suggests keys like cat=yes etc https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animals
IMHO for a pigsty pigs would be implicit.
building=farm_auxiliary is a more generic “I don’t know it well, but it’s part 
of a farm and not a residential building”-tag. I would prefer more specific 
building values if you do know better.

cheers,Martin

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Volker Schmidt]

The problem is that (British) English does not have a word for a generic
animal-stable. "stable" is for horses. "cow shed" is for bovines, "pigsty"
for pigs.
In the US a "barn" may include animal sheltering, but not in UK-English.


On 4 May 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 4. May 2018, at 07:23, marc marc  wrote:
>
> building=farm_auxiliary
>
> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*
>
>
> this combination makes no sense.
> building value is about appearance.
> so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed
>
>
>
> +1, also building=stable or building=pigsty etc. would be ok
>
>
>
>
> farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*
>
>
> or building:usage ?
> but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.
>
>
>
> for animal related features there is the key “animal”, the most used value
> is “yes” https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/animal#values
> its wiki page suggests keys like cat=yes etc
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animals
>
> IMHO for a pigsty pigs would be implicit.
>
> building=farm_auxiliary is a more generic “I don’t know it well, but it’s
> part of a farm and not a residential building”-tag. I would prefer more
> specific building values if you do know better.
>
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

On 4. May 2018, at 07:23, marc marc  wrote:

>> building=farm_auxiliary
>> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*
> 
> this combination makes no sense.
> building value is about appearance.
> so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed


+1, also building=stable or building=pigsty etc. would be ok



> 
>> farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*
> 
> or building:usage ?
> but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.


for animal related features there is the key “animal”, the most used value is 
“yes” https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/animal#values
its wiki page suggests keys like cat=yes etc 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animals

IMHO for a pigsty pigs would be implicit.

building=farm_auxiliary is a more generic “I don’t know it well, but it’s part 
of a farm and not a residential building”-tag. I would prefer more specific 
building values if you do know better.


cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Philip Barnes]

How about building=barn?

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 4 May 2018 06:23:13 BST, marc marc  wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Le 04. 05. 18 à 00:06, Warin a écrit :
>> building=farm_auxiliary
>> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*
>
>this combination makes no sense.
>building value is about appearance.
>so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed
>
> > farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*
>
>or building:usage ?
>but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.
>
>Regards,
>Marc
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[marc marc]

Hello,

Le 04. 05. 18 à 00:06, Warin a écrit :
> building=farm_auxiliary
> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*

this combination makes no sense.
building value is about appearance.
so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed

 > farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*

or building:usage ?
but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.

Regards,
Marc
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Warin]

On 04/05/18 07:44, Rachele Amerini wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm mapping rural areas of Central Asia after an expedition there.
I've found a lot of sheds, where many animals coexisted (sheeps, cows, 
horses...). I'd like to map them but I'm in doubt about the right tag:
*building=shed* "refers to a simple, single-storey structure that is 
used for storage, hobbies, or as a workshop. They can often be found 
in a back garden, on an allotment, or at site with groundskeeping" 
which is not.

*=stable* refers to horses
*=cowshed* refers to cows
*=sty *refers to pigs

I think would be better in this case to use something more generic 
like *cattleshed, *but this would be a new tag.

Any suggestion about how proceed?



Best fit for the moment is

building=farm_auxiliary

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dfarm_auxiliary

You could add some sub tags? Such as

farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;* farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*

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[Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Rachele Amerini]

Hello everyone,

I'm mapping rural areas of Central Asia after an expedition there.
I've found a lot of sheds, where many animals coexisted (sheeps, cows,
horses...). I'd like to map them but I'm in doubt about the right tag:
*building=shed* "refers to a simple, single-storey structure that is used
for storage, hobbies, or as a workshop. They can often be found in a back
garden, on an allotment, or at site with groundskeeping" which is not.
*=stable* refers to horses
*=cowshed* refers to cows
*=sty *refers to pigs

I think would be better in this case to use something more generic
like *cattleshed,
*but this would be a new tag.
Any suggestion about how proceed?

Thank you,

Rachele
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