Re: [Tagging] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling
For me, it looks like a bicycle-lane. On first look with no sign, so i would tag it cycleway=lane + bicycle=yes (- no designated or official, because a OSM-cycleway is for me a way, that is made for cycling (with no implied access), access can be added with bicycle=*). But on second look [1], you can see a bicycle symbol, so it is: cycleway=lane + bicycle=designated [1] http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=30.605287,-86.950497spn=0.00253,0.002972t=kz=20 Masi Am 18.04.2012, 05:47 Uhr, schrieb Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: One regional mapper uses cycleway=shoulder for this, but I see that as sub-optimal, since it's primarily a shoulder, not a cycleway. It would be like putting cycleway=sidewalk whenever there's a smooth paved sidewalk. I quite like cycleway=shoulder. It describes exactly what's going on: the cycling infrastructure at this point isn't a marked lane (cycleway=lane), nor a segregated lane (cycleway=track), it's a sealed road shoulder. Could you elaborate on your objections? The real complication arises when there are shoulders of varying quality that are assessed (by cyclists) as being more or less suitable for cycling - leading to issues of subjectivity. At least the situation you describe appears objective: the surface was intended for cycling on. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling
On 4/18/2012 9:34 AM, Masi Master wrote: For me, it looks like a bicycle-lane. On first look with no sign, so i would tag it cycleway=lane + bicycle=yes (- no designated or official, because a OSM-cycleway is for me a way, that is made for cycling (with no implied access), access can be added with bicycle=*). But on second look [1], you can see a bicycle symbol, so it is: cycleway=lane + bicycle=designated [1] http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=30.605287,-86.950497spn=0.00253,0.002972t=kz=20 The bike lane is only before the intersection. After the intersection it reverts to shoulder. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling
I'm wondering what the best way would be to tag a good-quality shoulder that acts essentially as an undesignated bike lane, in that you can use it but it is not required. Current Florida DOT policy is to use these on rural roads, with marked bike lanes only when there is a lane to the right. For example here: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=enll=30.605358,-86.950672spn=0.008255,0.016512gl=ust=mz=17layer=ccbll=30.605241,-86.950558panoid=X4-X3CdhvVO_ptMWbvB8SAcbp=12,330.83,,0,9.24 One can choose to ride either in the right lane or on the shoulder beyond the intersection. One regional mapper uses cycleway=shoulder for this, but I see that as sub-optimal, since it's primarily a shoulder, not a cycleway. It would be like putting cycleway=sidewalk whenever there's a smooth paved sidewalk. On the other hand, shoulder=yes or shoulder=paved says nothing about the quality of the shoulder. Should there be a minimum width for a shoulder (FDOT's standard is 4 feet)? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: One regional mapper uses cycleway=shoulder for this, but I see that as sub-optimal, since it's primarily a shoulder, not a cycleway. It would be like putting cycleway=sidewalk whenever there's a smooth paved sidewalk. I quite like cycleway=shoulder. It describes exactly what's going on: the cycling infrastructure at this point isn't a marked lane (cycleway=lane), nor a segregated lane (cycleway=track), it's a sealed road shoulder. Could you elaborate on your objections? The real complication arises when there are shoulders of varying quality that are assessed (by cyclists) as being more or less suitable for cycling - leading to issues of subjectivity. At least the situation you describe appears objective: the surface was intended for cycling on. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
