Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-12 Thread Viking
Bkill, at least in Italy hydrants are strong enough that it is impossible to brake them using only its key and human force. Anyway, if you think this tag is usefull, ok, map it. I'm sure that also in Hungary OSM could help firefighters if hydrants mapping will become capillar. We in Italy have

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-10 Thread bkil
Yes, it was me who added that key to the wiki page, because it was mentioned in one of our Hungarian documents some years ago and also I wanted to use it. I admit to my error in not noticing the latest proposals earlier. I've just recently joined this list and I've specifically asked this here in

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-09 Thread bkil
Do note that fire hydrant plates depict opening direction, so if we would need to store direction to close, a mapper would yet again need to do mental work, that is not error prone and confusing. On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:31 AM François Lacombe wrote: > > The question about the opening direction

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-09 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, Le mer. 10 oct. 2018 à 00:45, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 11:31 PM François Lacombe < > fl.infosrese...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The question about the opening direction should be propagated to this >> draft proposal regarding pipeline valves >> >>

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 11:31 PM François Lacombe wrote: > The question about the opening direction should be propagated to this > draft proposal regarding pipeline valves > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pipeline_valves_proposal > > I thought about

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-09 Thread François Lacombe
The question about the opening direction should be propagated to this draft proposal regarding pipeline valves https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pipeline_valves_proposal I thought about turn_to_close=clockwise / anticlockwise Whatever the final answer will be, this definitely

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:34 PM Viking wrote: > > As we did for most of the tags in [0], I would not use fire_hydrant: > prefix because we want a slim database and because opening:direction=* is (or can be) used for other > objects, as doors, taps, etc. > There are differing viewpoints on

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-09 Thread Viking
Bkill, you added fire_hydrant:opening to wiki page [0], but you should have discussed it here and/or in discussion page before. We did many efforts to widely discuss fire hydrant extensions [1] and finally approve them: you should at least discuss your proposal with people who spent so much

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:14 PM Rich wrote: > > Instead of > > fire_hydrant:opening=cw > > fire_hydrant:opening=ccw > > > > You need to type: > > fire_hydrant:opening:direction=clockwise > > fire_hydrant:opening:direction=anticlockwise > > > > Also, because the primary usage for `direction`

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-08 Thread bkil
Wow, that's another indirection I need to keep in my head (translating from the circular arrow), but it's a cool idea, none the less. :-) I'll try to invite other editors who use such tags to better understand their viewpoint. On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:14 AM Rich wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 07,

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-07 Thread Rich
On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 09:55:03PM +0200, bkil wrote: > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 10:27 PM OSMDoudou > <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > > > > Maybe leverage the existing direction tag (fire_hydrant:opening:direction) ? > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:direction

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-07 Thread bkil
That sounds like a reasonable idea - I see that it is widely used. Although it is unfortunate how much bulk it adds. Instead of fire_hydrant:opening=cw fire_hydrant:opening=ccw You need to type: fire_hydrant:opening:direction=clockwise fire_hydrant:opening:direction=anticlockwise Also, because

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-06 Thread OSMDoudou
Maybe leverage the existing direction tag (fire_hydrant:opening:direction) ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:direction ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-06 Thread bkil
Hello, Just a quick question, would you prefer `fire_hydrant:opening=*` or `fire_hydrant:opening_direction=*`? The former is much easier to type, but the latter is more self explanatory. I see that it is present on signage in many countries. On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:11 PM Viking wrote: > > >

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-03 Thread Viking
> How would we verify check date, surely that is a record kept by the fire > brigade? > > Phil (trigpoint) Hi Phil, well, operational_status:date can be inserted directly by firefighters. I am a firfighter and we are interested in having this information online, expecially when we are sent to

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2018-10-01 at 23:29 +0200, Viking wrote: > > Hi Alberto, > > Nice to see you back there :) > > Regarding check_date, I'd go in favor of operational_status:date. > > working:* is too specific to fully functional hydrants, what about > > disused or dry ones? > > Then operational_status is a

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-01 Thread Viking
>Hi Alberto, >Nice to see you back there :) >Regarding check_date, I'd go in favor of operational_status:date. >working:* is too specific to fully functional hydrants, what about disused or >dry ones? >Then operational_status is a more complete solution to give state and >associated date. >All

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

2018-10-01 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Alberto, Nice to see you back there :) Regarding check_date, I'd go in favor of operational_status:date. working:* is too specific to fully functional hydrants, what about disused or dry ones? Then operational_status is a more complete solution to give state and associated date. All the

[Tagging] hydrants

2018-09-28 Thread Viking
Hello, I would like to continue with fire hydrants' new tags [1]. Instead of the contested check_date=*, what do you think of working:test_date=* [2] or working_test:date=* [3], both already in use? Which syntax do you prefer? [1]