Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. May 2017, at 02:17, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > But without knowing a lot about the story and mechanisms behind it, the > link you quoted above doesn't seem wrong. It is not called "castle" but > "structure tagged as historic=castle in OSM", and the

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/01/2017 11:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I also thought like this, but not so rarely I have noticed people are > not only adding this link as the first word, they are also replacing the > following definition by the first paragraph of the English wikipedia > article with the same

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Andrew Hain
From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> Sent: 01 May 2017 22:07:11 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions 2017-05-01 20:06 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm <frede...@r

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-05-01 20:06 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm : > I wouldn't worry too much. > > A Wikipedia link is an optional component that can be added to a tag > description to someone who knows what the tag is about. > I also thought like this, but not so rarely I have noticed people are

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/29/2017 10:26 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > A lot of tag definitions sooner or later get a wikipedia link to an article I wouldn't worry too much. A Wikipedia link is an optional component that can be added to a tag description to someone who knows what the tag is about. If the

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
Hello all, so what is the principle of the "organisation of information" in OSM ? Up to now, I couldn't find a documentation that explains the general philosophy how to tag items. Cheers, Thilo > different organisation of information. > will very likely not be what we want.

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-05-01 14:43 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > > > no, my main concern is that both have different scope, and that people > are > > modifying wikidata without looking at the use of osm tags. > > You wrote "sometimes we have multiple tags in OSM each covering a > specific

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 1 May 2017 at 13:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 1. May 2017, at 12:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: > >> Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint >> was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
> Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint > was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you complain > that there is. In the OSM Wiki there's enough complexity (and not everything is "orthogonal"). If you'd like to tag tourism POIs, you should check

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone sent from a phone > On 1. May 2017, at 12:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint > was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you complain > that there is. no, my main

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 30 April 2017 at 09:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 30. Apr 2017, at 07:09, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> >> No. The arguments made by Martin against linking to Wikipedia (which >> are themselves weak) do not stand up at all for Wikidata >

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. May 2017, at 01:50, Dalibor Jelínek wrote: > > IMHO you have chosen a bad example to illustrate your statement. > There is nothing wrong with Wikipedia definition of castle. > It fits perfectly for page castle_type=defensive if you look at the

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-04-30 Thread Dalibor Jelínek
elated tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions > > On 29.04.2017 22:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Don't link to WP, especially not in the beginning (as if their definition > automatically was equal to ours

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-04-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 29.04.2017 22:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Don't link to WP, especially not in the beginning (as if their definition > automatically was equal to ours), because even if the current state is fine, > we don't control WP and don't know how they will structure their lemmas in > the future.

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Apr 2017, at 07:09, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > No. The arguments made by Martin against linking to Wikipedia (which > are themselves weak) do not stand up at all for Wikidata: > >> Wikipedia articles have a different scope, and quite often

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-04-29 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 29 April 2017 at 22:03, Andrew Hain wrote: > What about the Wikidata links that some pages have in their infoboxes? Is > there the same objection there? No. The arguments made by Martin against linking to Wikipedia (which are themselves weak) do not stand up at

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-04-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Apr 2017, at 23:03, Andrew Hain wrote: > > What about the Wikidata links that some pages have in their infoboxes? Is > there the same objection there? essentially yes. Nobody editing wikidata will check if their edits are in line

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-04-29 Thread Andrew Hain
links and copy + paste in tag definitions A lot of tag definitions sooner or later get a wikipedia link to an article (typically with the same name as the tag) attached to their beginning and/or the first paragraph(s) are copied to the definition. I'm sure people are acting in good faith when

[Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-04-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
A lot of tag definitions sooner or later get a wikipedia link to an article (typically with the same name as the tag) attached to their beginning and/or the first paragraph(s) are copied to the definition. I'm sure people are acting in good faith when doing it, but I don't think it's helpful.