[Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I just stumbled over this in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix *removed:* - (features that do not exist anymore or never existed but are commonly seen on other sources) I propose to remove the part or never existed but are commonly seen on other sources,

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 28.01.2015 05:01, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 01/25/2015 10:29 AM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: Probable all christian churches (buildings) and most chapels are dedicated to patron saints. E.g. the Basilica Sancti Petri (Saint Peter's Basilica) in Vatican City is obviously dedicated to Sanctus

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 28.01.2015 12:34, Andy Mabbett wrote: There are sometimes more than one saint with the same name, This is where Wikidata tags provide useful disambiguation. You can either tag with: wikidata = Q12512 (resolves to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12512 ; the item for Saint Peter's

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread althio
removed: (features that do not exist anymore or never existed but are commonly seen on other sources) I propose to remove the part or never existed but are commonly seen on other sources, because this has nothing to do with removed. If people want to tag easter eggs or errors from other

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 13:06 GMT+01:00 SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk: grey water has a specific meaning (waste water that isn't sewage and can be further used for e.g. irrigation). If that's what you mean - great. If you just mean water that you can't drink, then just use something that describes

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Rainer Fügenstein
Hello Warin, Wednesday, January 28, 2015, 8:48:16 AM, you wrote: W Request For Discussion W http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:substance thanks for picking up thus topic. I have to leave in a few minutes for a 6 week assignment, therefore only just a few words: - my intention impression

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/28/15 8:09 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: On 28/01/2015 13:05, Richard Welty wrote: i changed them to highway:unbuilt, rather than deleting them so that they would stop rendering and wouldn't get added back in later. I guess that that makes sense here in a fix the mapper kind of way (I've

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
thank you all for your comments, user:RicoZ, the creator of that page also agreed and has changed the description. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-27 17:13 GMT+01:00 Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com: The way in OSM is only a (sometimes not precise) drawing of an existing feature and can be different from the reality. How precise is the value of the length tag? From what is the value derived? to make sense on ways, I'd

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread François Lacombe
2015-01-28 8:58 GMT+01:00 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Does it ? I cant think of any application where this makes sense. A node does not have an orientation so why can it have a length? If it has a length it does not make sense to use a node. Flo Since OSM editing tools aren't AutoCAD you

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-28 8:58 GMT+01:00 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 04:18:57PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote: 2015-01-27 16:13 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: I personally recommend to use the length key while mapping street cabinets as nodes.

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread François Lacombe
2015-01-28 9:14 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: I don't see why anyone would want to do it that way instead of simply drawing a box, but I accept the fact, that some users do, so it's fine for me. It's more precise to use tools like compass or meters to get the cabinet's (or

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 04:18:57PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote: 2015-01-27 16:13 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: I personally recommend to use the length key while mapping street cabinets as nodes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 9:13 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: Some small features can actually be summarized as nodes when drawing their shape sounds irrelevant regarding the cluttering it introduces. I'm sorry that was trivial for me. I won't draw a circle for a 5cm diameter pole

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 12:01 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: So for natural gas worked out to that basic level, as one example, that would be substance = gas gas=fuel fuel=natural_gas I believe this is pointlessly complicated and semantically incorrect, why not tag: substance=natural_gas

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 28/01/2015 11:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-01-28 8:48 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com: Unfortunately this does not have a tag for non drinking water .. possible values could be non-potable_water grey_water I like grey_water

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Tom Pfeifer
maybe fiction: and an explanation in the note tag. Richard Welty wrote on 2015-01-28 13:46: On 1/28/15 7:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I just stumbled over this in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix *removed:* * (features that do not exist anymore or never

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Warin
On 28/01/2015 8:41 PM, Rainer Fügenstein wrote: Hello Warin, Wednesday, January 28, 2015, 8:48:16 AM, you wrote: W Request For Discussion W http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:substance thanks for picking up thus topic. I have to leave in a few minutes for a 6 week assignment, therefore

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 25 January 2015 at 16:29, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: patron saints. E.g. the Basilica Sancti Petri (Saint Peter's Basilica) in Vatican City is obviously dedicated to Sanctus Petrus (Saint Peter). There are sometimes more than one saint with the same name, This is where

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 8:48 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: Unfortunately this does not have a tag for non drinking water .. possible values could be non-potable_water grey_water I like grey_water According to taginfo the values in decreasing use are water (30%), gas, heat, sewrage,

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-27 11:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Speaking of Vatican, i.e. Roman Catholic Church, Mary is Blessed, not Saint. Her title is Beata Virgo Maria (Beata Vergine Maria in Italian, Blessed Virgin Mary in English). She is an unordinary Blessed, as she and her feasts

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Steve Doerr
On 28/01/2015 12:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-01-27 11:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com mailto:simone.savi...@gmail.com: Speaking of Vatican, i.e. Roman Catholic Church, Mary is Blessed, not Saint. Her title is Beata Virgo Maria (Beata Vergine Maria in

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/28/15 7:51 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: maybe fiction: and an explanation in the note tag. back in the 1960s, there were a bunch of proposals for motorways in the Albany, NY area that were never built (for good reason). a mapper added those as proposed maybe two years ago, which wasn't good

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread François Lacombe
I understand your point. Nevertheless, using a compass + indicating direction=* will be more precise and exact than drawing the box according to aerial pictures (often according where you think the box is) Same for length=* or any other physical properties. I've no problem with hardcore

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/28/15 7:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I just stumbled over this in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix *removed:* * (features that do not exist anymore or never existed but are commonly seen on other sources) I propose to remove the part or never

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 28/01/2015 13:05, Richard Welty wrote: i changed them to highway:unbuilt, rather than deleting them so that they would stop rendering and wouldn't get added back in later. I guess that that makes sense here in a fix the mapper kind of way (I've certainly done similar things), but

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 26 January 2015 at 00:39, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: maybe using Wikidata should be considered through an additional tag such as dedication:wikidata=Q33923 for Saint Peter https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33923 I dislike these numbers. They are not human readable, and typos will

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Rainer Fügenstein
hi, first, I wouldn't use the value of substance=* as key for the detailed level, because in this case we would introduce a new key (i.e. fuel=) whenever a new substance is introduced (i.e. substance=fuel). second, I'd stick with two levels (general, detailed), otherwise we'd eventually end

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 03:22:51PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: thank you all for your comments, user:RicoZ, the creator of that page also agreed and has changed the description. thank you all for the unexpected attention, the problematic text snippet was cutpaste from [[Comparison of life

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Warin
On 29/01/2015 12:28 AM, althio wrote: removed: (features that do not exist anymore or never existed but are commonly seen on other sources) I propose to remove the part or never existed but are commonly seen on other sources, because this has nothing to do with removed. If people want to tag

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 28/01/2015 21:57, John F. Eldredge wrote: Well, you also have the status proposed, but no start date set, which would fit some subdivision maps I have seen. I am not sure how one would tag that. Again, I probably wouldn't add that, until it has got a projected start date (and a

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Yes, feature that does not exist anymore (or even never existed!) or is only proposed has no place in OSM. With possible caveat that features that are extremely likely to be added (recently destroyed building visible on aerial images etc) element with note explaining situations makes sense. But

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 22:42 +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Yes, feature that does not exist anymore (or even never existed!) or is only proposed has no place in OSM. So you want to get rid of proposed roads, too? Having a proposed road on the map is good to see what has been planned for the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Quay

2015-01-28 Thread fly
Am 28.01.2015 um 02:51 schrieb Warin: On 27/01/2015 9:29 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: (This discussion originated on talk - crossposted to tagging on Malcolm's suggestion) On 26/01/2015 21:16, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 26/01/2015 19:23, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-28 Thread johnw
On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:57 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-28 18:52 GMT+00:00 Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr: I started modifying the wiki following our recent discussion. For cuisine=*, I added: May also apply to other services that deliver food, like convenience.

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread John F. Eldredge
On January 28, 2015 7:09:01 AM CST, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 28/01/2015 13:05, Richard Welty wrote: i changed them to highway:unbuilt, rather than deleting them so that they would stop rendering and wouldn't get added back in later. I guess that that makes sense

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread johnw
On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Oh.. 'multiphase' is a mixture of gas, fuel and water as it comes out of some well heads if this is the proper term used for pipelines, then this would be the right one, Otherwise, =multi (like sports) would be the best.

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Yes, my opinion is that all highway=proposed should be removed. OSM should map current situation - not what was there or what will be. after it is obvious the proposed road will never be built sounds nice but always there will be somebody convinced that proposal is real. For example my city has

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-01-28 13:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2015-01-27 11:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com mailto:simone.savi...@gmail.com: On 2015-01-27 11:25, André Pirard wrote : You should urgently warn the Vatican

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Steve Doerr
On 28/01/2015 16:12, André Pirard wrote: The fact is that in French, we use no such words as Blessed. The French equivalent is 'Bienheureux/se'. I don't suppose it's ever used of the Virgin Mary, though. -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Jo
2015-01-28 17:12 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On 2015-01-28 13:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2015-01-27 11:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: On 2015-01-27 11:25, André Pirard wrote : You should urgently warn the Vatican

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/28/2015 01:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: *removed:* * (features that do not exist anymore or never existed but are commonly seen on other sources) I propose to remove the part or never existed but are commonly seen on other sources, because this has nothing to do

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 17:12 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: Speaking of Vatican, i.e. Roman Catholic Church, Mary is Blessed, not Saint. Her title is Beata Virgo Maria (Beata Vergine Maria in Italian, Blessed Virgin Mary in English). She is an unordinary Blessed, as she and her feasts

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread Paul Johnson
Several freeways that were designed by the Army Corps of Engineers in the Baghdad, IQ area got tagged similarly to that (highway=unbuilt or similar). No idea if they were later built by some authority. Also didn't know if it was inside knowledge by a returning soldier past the end of whatever

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-28 Thread Eric SIBERT
I started modifying the wiki following our recent discussion. For cuisine=*, I added: May also apply to other services that deliver food, like convenience. For shop=convenience, I added (in Tags used in combination): Stores selling specific type of food or with ethnic origin may use

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-28 Thread Dan S
2015-01-28 18:52 GMT+00:00 Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr: I started modifying the wiki following our recent discussion. For cuisine=*, I added: May also apply to other services that deliver food, like convenience. For shop=convenience, I added (in Tags used in combination): Stores