Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 9:59 PM ChameleonScales < chameleonsca...@protonmail.com> wrote: > I made some changes again. > I like the way you have a purple rocking horse and describe it as a brown rocking horse. :) It might be an idea either to put up a brown version or to clarify that the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 16, 2018, at 5:32 AM, SelfishSeahorse > wrote: > > No, landuse=governmental is intended for the land used for organising > a country, state, municipality etc., that is, the 'core functions' of > a country, state, municipality etc., which are administering it, > making rules

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 20:35, Tom Hardy wrote: > > Just to throw a couple more your way: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/622149574 > landuse=garages is a staging area for city public works and county truck > repair, and > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/448672572 > amenity=recycling is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi, Martin! On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 01:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > So police stations are out? The ministry of defense is in, but the > subordinate units of it are out (because military)? Courts are in? Prisons? > Storage (e.g. >

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread ChameleonScales
I made some changes again. Mainly I changed "rental" to "loan" even though loan doesn't exist, because they have a quite different meaning: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rent https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/loan and I changed the age tags to account for a comment in the proposal's discussion

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 22:32, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > However, the problem of how to call the sub-tag(s) for public administration, > executive, parliament and courts were exactly the same as without > landuse=institutional + sub-tags. PS: The only benefit i see of landuse=institutional +

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-15 Thread bkil
When in doubt, there's always description=* (along with strapline=*) intended for users and fixme=* or note=* for editors. A determined individual could reclassify POI later on without traveling the whole country if a reputable editor leaves enough information. Just wanted to mention that around

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing used on ways

2018-10-15 Thread Gerd Petermann
Mateusz Konieczny-3 wrote > How many highway=crossing on ways were added since  November 2015? > How many highway=crossing on nodes were added since  November 2015? > Without that it is hard to say anything. I agree that those are the important questions. I have some old taginfo data from 2015.

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 11. Okt. 2018 um 21:21 Uhr schrieb Mark Wagner < mark+...@carnildo.com>: > There are no "more knowledgeable mappers" in my area. I > am the only person in an area the size of the United Kingdom to make a > concentrated effort at mapping business: if I don't map it, it won't > get mapped

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread marc marc
Le 16. 10. 18 à 00:20, Greg Troxel a écrit : > François Lacombe writes: > >> Basically in power language, a line is not insulated >> while a cable actually is. > > So I don't see how we can make "insulated" a big deal in tagging, > defining the top-level tag, rather than being a detail to add

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
13. Oct 2018 02:49 by chameleonsca...@protonmail.com : > Other than that, is it complete enough to move it from Draft to Proposed? Feel free to do that - there is no real difference between Draft and Proposed ___

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 15. Okt. 2018 um 12:05 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > 13. Oct 2018 02:49 by chameleonsca...@protonmail.com: > > Other than that, is it complete enough to move it from Draft to Proposed? > > > Feel free to do that - there is no real difference between Draft and

Re: [Tagging] issues with the list of deprecated features

2018-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 15. Okt. 2018 um 12:20 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > 15. Oct 2018 10:57 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > 1. amenity=artwork > Yes, tourism=artwork is the established tagging, but it has issues: > artwork has nothing at all to do with tourism > > As I understand

[Tagging] issues with the list of deprecated features

2018-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I just ran into this summary page for deprecated features: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deprecated_features There are a few issues which I would like to discuss: 1. amenity=artwork Yes, tourism=artwork is the established tagging, but it has issues: artwork has nothing at all to do with

Re: [Tagging] issues with the list of deprecated features

2018-10-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
15. Oct 2018 10:57 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : > 1. amenity=artwork > Yes, tourism=artwork is the established tagging, but it has issues: artwork > has nothing at all to do with tourism > As I understand you - in your opinion it would be preferable to end with

Re: [Tagging] issues with the list of deprecated features

2018-10-15 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 15.10.2018 10:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 3. amenity=creche and amenity=nursery For both tags amenity=kindergarten is suggested as alternative tagging, which seems clearly wrong (kindergarten is usually for ages 3-6 while these tags are for ages 0-3). I thought the consensus was here

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The proposal for a default:language= tag has been discussed for the past 3 weeks. There have been no new comments this week, and I hope the proposal is ready for approval. Thank you for all of your ideas and suggestions Please go to the proposal page and read the discussion on the talk page:

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread ChameleonScales
Yeah actually I'm still working on it. I'd like them to have tags for whether they can lend or not and what public is targeted (children or all ages). When I travel and look for a board game to rent I don't want to end up in a child care center with no adult games. Also I'd like to upload a

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread ChameleonScales
Also I discussed with a senior toy and game library owner and she says "toy library" is better even if it doesn't include "game" because it's a more established name. So how can I change the url of my proposal to toy_library instead of

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Joseph, Yes, according to you, it's a power cable. We don't use the same tags: the first got voltage=2000 while the second got voltage=220 All the best *François Lacombe* fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com www.infos-reseaux.com @InfosReseaux

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Is there any limit to what can be mapped power=cable? Can micromappers use this tag for wires connecting their house to a garage? Or a wire from their garage to a string of light bulbs hanging across the back yard? Should there be a different tag for power wires at the consumer level? On Mon,

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On Mon, October 15, 2018 2:28 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Is there any limit to what can be mapped power=cable ? > Can micromappers use this tag for wires connecting their > house to a garage ? voltage=* is a clear importance filter that offers a simple practical solution to fears of excessive

Re: [Tagging] issues with the list of deprecated features

2018-10-15 Thread Lionel Giard
> > I am not sure how it changes that we ended with tourism-artwork as a >> standard. >> >> Also, "has nothing at all" is not true. Artworks are quite likely to be a >> tourism attractions. >> >> > > > following this argument, we would have to tag the national parliaments as > tourism=parliament

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing used on ways

2018-10-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15. 10. 18 à 08:25, Gerd Petermann a écrit : > seems someone has > fixed a few since my last post:-) ) yes I took the opportunity of your message to look at the cases in France and Switzerland. I corrected about 40 of them, there were: - real pedestrian crossings but a lot of not connected to

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
0% of power=cable have a voltage tag: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/power=cable#combinations Only 30% of power=minor_line have a voltage: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/power=minor_line#combinations It seems that most mappers do not put a voltage on small power lines. I suspect

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Yes, the software can change the icon color, so if an existing icon shape is good, we can just use that. On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:57 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:29 PM ChameleonScales < > chameleonsca...@protonmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Also I'd like to upload a proposed svg

Re: [Tagging] issues with the list of deprecated features

2018-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 15. Okt. 2018 um 14:21 Uhr schrieb Tom Pfeifer < t.pfei...@computer.org>: > On 15.10.2018 10:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 3. amenity=creche and amenity=nursery > > For both tags amenity=kindergarten is suggested as alternative tagging, > which seems clearly wrong > > (kindergarten

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:29 PM ChameleonScales < chameleonsca...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > Also I'd like to upload a proposed svg icon but apparently I don't have > permission to upload media files on the wiki. > You haven't made enough edits on the wiki for the automated system to consider

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Sorry, that should be “80% of power=cable...” On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 11:11 PM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > 0% of power=cable have a voltage tag: > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/power=cable#combinations > > Only 30% of power=minor_line have a voltage: >

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread ChameleonScales
You made good points. Let's use a brown rocking horse then. So, about my url question, is it doable? ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 15, 2018 4:04 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Yes, the software can change the icon color, so if an existing icon shape is > good, we can

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing used on ways

2018-10-15 Thread Gerd Petermann
I think I found one reason for the mistagged ways. The wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dtraffic_island proposes to use highway=crossing + crossing=island to map a traffic island. It says that this should be used on nodes but a mapper looking for a replacement of a

Re: [Tagging] issues with the list of deprecated features

2018-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 15. Okt. 2018 um 13:55 Uhr schrieb Lionel Giard < lionel.gi...@gmail.com>: > > For tourism=* tag, for me, it is just a method to not tag each artwork > with "tourism=attraction" i would suppose (as they are probably all an > attraction), while a parliament *could *be a tourism=attraction,

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Note that (a) proposed icon is the least important part of any proposal and may be safely skipped (b) if someone really wants to add a proposed icon there is no obligation tofollow colour scheme and size limitations of a specific map style 15. Oct 2018 15:55 by pla16...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread ChameleonScales
I made some updates. Feedback appreciated.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] issues with the list of deprecated features

2018-10-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
15. Oct 2018 12:27 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : >> I am not sure how it changes that we ended with tourism-artwork as a >> standard. >> >> Also, "has nothing at all" is not true. Artworks are quite likely to be a >> tourism attractions. >> >> >> >> > > following

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I would also expect cables to render very late by default (i.e. not voltage tagged), similar to minor lines or even later, if we are basically going to distinguish a cable running from the door bell to the push button from a high voltage transmission cable only by adding the voltage. Cheers,

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread François Lacombe
Le lun. 15 oct. 2018 à 16:13, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > Would you recommend renderering lines and cables of unknown voltage as low > voltage, eg only render on zoom level 18 or 19 (neighborhood or Bock > level), with a thin line? > Yes, this would solve the cluttering problem and encourage

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread ChameleonScales
Thanks but this has already been taken care of in the proposal page. I don't see why you're pointing that out now.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

2018-10-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
15. Oct 2018 15:34 by chameleonsca...@protonmail.com : > > So how can I change the url of my proposal to toy_library instead of > toy_and_game_library? I moved the page in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 07:17, John Willis wrote: > > Landuse=public_safety would be generic enough to be for police stations, > rangers, lifeguards, snow patrol, highway patrol, harbor patrol, fire > stations, wildfire stations, and other "official" services offered to the > public to ensure

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-15 Thread Greg Troxel
François Lacombe writes: > Basically in power language, a line is not insulated while a cable actually > is. A difficulty here is that mappers cannot tell a protective covering from insulation. I was at an open house of my power company recently and they had a mockup of a distribution line, of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 16, 2018, at 7:13 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > How about those "public safety" groups that are manned & operated by unpaid > volunteers, often with minimum (or no) Govt funding? A building dedicated to a volunteer fire department - where they keep the truck and the hoses - is