Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

Is a proposal coming up? I map and maintain a lot of recreational foot/hiking route relations.Refs and names of foot routes are never on ways, always on the relations. I agree that the use of name=* and ref=* does not conform to wiki documentation, but it's widespread, worldwide.People feel the

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:42, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > * section_name (section? stage? leg?) > Segment? Just a thought. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 00:55, Greg Troxel wrote: > Paul Allen writes: > > > I can think of one US city square which has "square" in the name > > (not square shaped, though) that is rather well-known. If you > > can't think of it the ball will drop eventually, at midnight on Dec 31st. > > But

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

This tagging habit arose because the ref isn’t displayed in the side panel, only the name. Fix that and we can do a big clean-up. -- Andrew From: Sarah Hoffmann Sent: 29 March 2020 10:41 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging]

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

Hi, On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 06:18:01PM +, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Route relation names aren’t in a great state, are they? > > The upshot: bad luck if you want to render the actual names of routes on a > map. You can’t. Or want to search for them. The sad state of the name tag is the only

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

Joseph Eisenberg writes: > "taking "Harvard Square" as an example, > that refers to an area around the road junctions. It includes the > sidewalks, and it includes the businesses and buildings that are on the > roads that border the center, and even includes things that are perhaps > 50-100m

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

Paul Allen writes: > On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 00:55, Greg Troxel wrote: > >> Paul Allen writes: >> >> > I can think of one US city square which has "square" in the name >> > (not square shaped, though) that is rather well-known. If you >> > can't think of it the ball will drop eventually, at

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

sent from a phone > On 29. Mar 2020, at 17:23, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Really it is a place=neighborhood > with an indistinct boundary, even if there is a bit of eurosquare there. the fact there is a neighborhood which takes its name from a square does not imply there cannot also be a

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > sent from a phone > >> On 29. Mar 2020, at 17:23, Greg Troxel wrote: >> >> Really it is a place=neighborhood >> with an indistinct boundary, even if there is a bit of eurosquare there. > > the fact there is a neighborhood which takes its name from a square > does

[Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

Resending the message, as it bounced - my apologies if you see it twice Volker -- Forwarded message - From: Volker Schmidt Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 14:28 Subject: Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Don't think the

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

sent from a phone >> On 29. Mar 2020, at 18:24, Greg Troxel wrote: > Really, it seems like > you are trying to shoehorn european definitions into US naming when it > is just not the way it is. Frankly, I am not really familiar with the situation in North America (besides some lessons about

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

I think the trick is to come up with a solution that does not change anything for the current users (backward compatible), but provides a functional or visible benefit if applied. I would not hesitate to apply such a solution to all the foot/hiking routes I oversee. By the way, WMT finds a lot of

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

>From these 2 examples how squares (I keep using this word although I am not > sure it actually applies) are classified (often in names), which is the > approach you had thought about? > I thought maybe the bast way to go ahead is to reverse our sequence: 1) collect a good number of examples of

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

Oh, just another random observation: extending the notion of 'square' to the buildings that front upon it is not limited to New England. Moreover, cursed Albion also has 'town squares' that are green space. One example: Berkeley Square in London. In form, it's a public garden, but even the

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

sent from a phone > On 30. Mar 2020, at 00:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> Let's not try to bend over backward to make sure that only European >> squares qualify PS: for me all of your examples are squares and should get the place=square tag

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

sent from a phone > On 29. Mar 2020, at 22:16, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > Let's not try to bend over backward to make sure that only European > squares qualify! Absolutely, IMHO we should have a very generic and inclusive definition for town squares, applicable worldwide (basically what people

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 21:16, Kevin Kenny wrote: > So is the key difference between a town square and a village green(*) > the fact that the square is usually paved? > I think it would be rare for a grassed area to be called a town square. And very rare for a paved area to be called a village

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

A general point to all: Please don't confuse a way's name with a route's name. They are different. There can be multiple routes traversing over the same way. On 28/03/2020 21:56, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sure. NCN 4 is called "NCN 4" in the same sense that the M4 is called the "M4". That's

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > Frankly, I am not really familiar with the situation in North America > (besides some lessons about North American urbanism I have heard 20 > years ago). I am aware there are some developments that imitate 19th > century architecture, so even if many or most of the

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

On 29/3/20 5:18 am, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Hello folks, Route relation names aren’t in a great state, are they? Let’s say that I want to render cycle route names on a map (because, well, I do). I zoom in on a way along the East Coast of Britain and I find it’s a member of this route:  

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

So is the key difference between a town square and a village green(*) the fact that the square is usually paved? (*) No, I don't abuse 'village green' for 'any green space in a village'. A lot of the older villages in the eastern US are laid out roughly on the plan of English villages, with a

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 00:03, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm looking at a cycle route now. > Could we have the relation number please? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

On 30/3/20 9:18 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 00:03, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: I'm looking at a cycle route now. Could we have the relation number please? Unorganized relation 2073457 One that is already directionally

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > These days I wonder if it wouldn't be better if we introduce a > tag that explicitly contains the name only. How about > official_name for a, well, official name of the route and > local_name for one that is used by everybody else. Interesting thought. That really isn't

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

Sorry, this was sent to Volker only. On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:42, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: I suspect that this particular ship has sailed a long time ago. [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Public_Transport=625726#Route I always wondered what was this fuss

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

Don't think the official name will help. Talking from my limited experience with cycle routes in Italy: most do not have e Reference and many do not have an agreed-upon official name. But they exist on the ground with some kind of sign posting, often varying along the same route over space and