Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 00:06, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 23/07/2020 17.26, Paul Allen wrote: > > > From the geometry, I'd say that was a parking lot. > > Currently, I have the non-parallel spots marked as a lot. To my mind, > parallel parking and on-street parking are nearly synonymous. I'm

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

On Friday 24 July 2020, Michael Montani wrote: > > The voting for natural=bare_soil has begun and can be found > hereing>. It will temptatively close August 7th, given enough support. It is unfortunate that the suggestion to not

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

This is specifically about how to label the end point where the waterway doesn't drain into another waterbody, not how to label an intermittent stream in general. On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 07:05 Graeme Fitzpatrick, wrote: > > > > On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 01:27, Tod Fitch wrote: > >> >> We are still

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 14:50, Christoph Hormann wrote: > In OSM we generally think that using an open tagging system where the > tags are narrowly defined in what the positively mean in a locally > verifiable fashion is better for representing the global geography in > all its diversity and to

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

Firstly, I think this kind of application is very important for the maintenance of the map. The thing has become too complicated for regular people. So, kudo's! Secondly, I think having to evaluate the history is a challenge. But do you have to? In comparable cases (non-OSM, but comparible

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Ground#Tagging is listing multiple methods to map this, what is not a good idea. I am confused a bit as mailing list message mentioned single value. Maybe it is list of considered but rejected alternatives? Jul 24, 2020, 09:52 by

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

On 24/07/2020 04.29, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Jul 23, 2020, 20:42 by mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com: I'm trying to tag a whole bunch of side-of-road parking, and I have two questions. First, what is the correct way to tag marked parking spaces? There is parking:lane:*=marked which would

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

On 24/07/2020 08.19, Paul Allen wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 00:06, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Currently, I have the non-parallel spots marked as a lot. To my mind, parallel parking and on-street parking are nearly synonymous. I'm not entirely clear what you mean by those terms as you're

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 15:00, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 24/07/2020 08.19, Paul Allen wrote: > > > The image in the wiki for parking lanes matches > > what I expect of it. As in this situation near me: > > https://goo.gl/maps/WUZKmhQTDSRsgnDx7 on the right > > of the road are double yellow

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

For what it's worth, ordinarily I will map a stretch of road with parallel or diagonal parking by drawing a parking area that shares nodes with the road centre-line. The routers find it when asked to find parking, it doesn't render badly, and I think it expresses the intention. If there is

Re: [Tagging] Tagging motorcycle parking

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 15:20, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > For example, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/828934579 and > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/828934591, or (even better) > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/828934580 and > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/828934583. To wit, in both

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

On 24/07/2020 10.52, Paul Allen wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 15:26, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Yeah, I don't know what "floating" means there. You don't? It even explained it in the video. Or the description. Somewhere. The parking spaces are detached from the sidewalk because there's a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging motorcycle parking

On 24/07/2020 02.19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 23. Jul 2020, at 21:31, Matthew Woehlke wrote: ...and what if we're mapping spaces? I'm not sure I'm on board with dividing things which are logically "one parking lot" if there is no name, what makes a parking space logically one lot?

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 15:26, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 24/07/2020 10.18, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > Sounds like the same thing, Near enough. Especially if some streets > > have signs saying "no parking at any time." > > Right; I didn't mean "we don't have on-street parking", I meant we don't

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

On 24/07/2020 10.18, Paul Allen wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 15:00, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 24/07/2020 08.19, Paul Allen wrote: The image in the wiki for parking lanes matches what I expect of it. As in this situation near me: https://goo.gl/maps/WUZKmhQTDSRsgnDx7 on the right of the road

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

There must have been a long discussion on this, and I don't want to rehash it, but i'm surprised there was a positive response to adding check_date for individual attributesI can understand a check_date for a whole feature (as with the construction site), so for example a bus stop, I might be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

On Friday 24 July 2020, Paul Allen wrote: > > I take it that means you're not in favour of my idea of rendering all > parts of the world not covered by a tagged area with the label "Here > there be dragons." I think that would be cool, especially if > somebody comes up with a good dragon icon.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging motorcycle parking

On 24/07/2020 10.44, Paul Allen wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 15:20, Matthew Woehlke wrote: For example, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/828934579 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/828934591, or (even better) https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/828934580 and

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

On 7/24/20 15:51, Tobias Knerr wrote: > The date when you last checked a shop's opening hours it is a fact. But > opinions on how often one should revisit a shop to check the opening > hours again may vary a lot between mappers. So I think the former is > more suitable to be added to the OSM

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

On 24.07.20 14:13, Peter Elderson wrote: > In comparable cases (non-OSM, but comparible checking schemes), I do not > record the date it has been checked, I record the future date when it > should be checked (again). When it should be checked is opinion-based, though. The date when you last

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

Op vr 24 jul. 2020 om 22:53 schreef Tobias Knerr : > On 24.07.20 14:13, Peter Elderson wrote: > > In comparable cases (non-OSM, but comparible checking schemes), I do not > > record the date it has been checked, I record the future date when it > > should be checked (again). > > When it should be

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 16:13 +0100, Jez Nicholson wrote: > There must have been a long discussion on this, and I don't want to > rehash it, but i'm surprised there was a positive response to adding > check_date for individual attributesI can understand a check_date > for a whole feature (as

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

On 7/24/20 17:20, Cj Malone wrote: > Alternatively if each storing when each tag has been validated is a > direction OSM wants to go, maybe it should be in the API. A client like > StreetComplete could "touch" a tag to rev it's edited timestamp without > actually changing the value. OSM does not

Re: [Tagging] TRAVEL_DIR (and other fields) in shapefile?

According to the metadata, Travel direction is a representation where addresses increase. For intertate travel direction is a representation where mile post markers increase.

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

Hi Tobias, congratulations on your successful microgrant proposal! :) Maintenance of existing data is a growing concern as OSM matures, so it's important that we explore workflows for it. On 23.07.20 18:06, Tobias Zwick wrote: > 2. Always record check_date or avoid tagging it where not

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 17:48 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 7/24/20 17:20, Cj Malone wrote: > > Alternatively if each storing when each tag has been validated is a > > direction OSM wants to go, maybe it should be in the API. A client > > like > > StreetComplete could "touch" a tag to rev it's

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

OpenStreetMap is a shared database - you generally shouldn’t annotate POI with tags for your own use. Tags should correspond to ground truth - hence they need to pass the verifiability. If I resurvey the POI, will I conclude the same future todo_check_date=* that you have previously added? What

Re: [Tagging] TRAVEL_DIR (and other fields) in shapefile?

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 19:22, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > I have a shapefile I obtained from a county's GIS¹. In addition to road > names (sometimes) and speed limits (yay!), there is an attribute > TRAVEL_DIR, which seems to have the possible values (at least) 1, 2 and > 3. Does anyone know what

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

sent from a phone > On 24. Jul 2020, at 22:53, Tobias Knerr wrote: > > The date when you last checked a shop's opening hours it is a fact. But > opinions on how often one should revisit a shop to check the opening > hours again may vary a lot between mappers. on the other hand the check

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

On 7/24/2020 7:12 PM, Cj Malone wrote: OSM does not store edit timestamps for individual tags, only for the object as a whole. Finding out when a tag was changed requires a review of the entire history. I had to do this once when I saw a clear highway=motorway_link tagged as highway=motorway,

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 21:28, Jmapb wrote: > On 7/24/2020 7:12 PM, Cj Malone wrote: > >> OSM does not store edit timestamps for individual tags, only for the > >> object as a whole. Finding out when a tag was changed requires a > >> review of the entire history. I had to do this once when I saw a

[Tagging] TRAVEL_DIR (and other fields) in shapefile?

This might be somewhat OT, but it's OSM-related, so... I have a shapefile I obtained from a county's GIS¹. In addition to road names (sometimes) and speed limits (yay!), there is an attribute TRAVEL_DIR, which seems to have the possible values (at least) 1, 2 and 3. Does anyone know what this

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

Jul 23, 2020, 23:30 by miketh...@gmail.com: > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:34 PM Matthew Woehlke <> mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > ...but then your horse is a passenger in a vehicle. Otherwise that would > > be like saying a human can't ride in a vehicle if foot=no. >

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

Jul 23, 2020, 23:26 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 21:00, Matthew Woehlke <> mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> >> Interesting. By that criteria, I would think that >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/826561593>> has on-street parking, >> > > Tough call.  In

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

Jul 23, 2020, 20:42 by mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com: > I'm trying to tag a whole bunch of side-of-road parking, and I have two > questions. > > First, what is the correct way to tag marked parking spaces? There is > parking:lane:*=marked which would seem to apply, but then it isn't clear how >

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

Jul 23, 2020, 18:06 by o...@westnordost.de: > 1. Use check_date:smoothness or smoothness:check_date? > Both have some benefits, I am perfectly fine with both variants. One gets check_date tags out of the way, one keeps tag and its check date close to each other. In case of tie second seems

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 01:27, Tod Fitch wrote: > > We are still left with the situation where an ephemeral waterway fans out > over the desert and disappears. We need some sort of tagging to indicate > this is not a mistake and I’ve not seen a tag or value come up in this > discussion that has

Re: [Tagging] Tagging motorcycle parking

sent from a phone > On 23. Jul 2020, at 21:31, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > ...and what if we're mapping spaces? I'm not sure I'm on board with dividing > things which are logically "one parking lot" if there is no name, what makes a parking space logically one lot? Cheers Martin

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

After the fruitful discussions we had in [Tagging] Are we mapping ground on OSM? and [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground) , I updated the