Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-04 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Brian M. Sperlongano: Niels, thanks for the list. I found another Danish hazard Crossing golfers: https://hopcycling.pl/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/L9720954.jpg -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-04 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I am thinking this case (crossing golfers) is more of a highway=crossing rather than a hazard? There appear to be no existing values of hazard for indicating crossing golfers to lean on here. On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:23 AM Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Brian M. Sperlongano: > > Niels, thanks

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Dec 2020, at 17:42, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > I am thinking this case (crossing golfers) is more of a highway=crossing > rather than a hazard? I think it is a warning that a golf ball might eventually hit your vehicle, and if you’re prepared you won’t be

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that the indoor or semi-indoor inclined elevators, which are fully enclosed and look completely similar to a vertical elevator, should be tagged as highway=elevator. Once they are outdoors and there are visible tracks it gets ambiguous. Since the Montmarte "funicular" is tagged as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (verifiability - frost heave?)

2020-12-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Dec 2020, at 21:43, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > Does that satisfy your concern? yes, very reasonable, maybe could add that unsigned hazards can not only be found in the developing world, but the probability of encountering them will raise the farther you move

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (verifiability - frost heave?)

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: "However, in some cases, notably in the developing world, these types of hazards may be tagged even if unsigned." While this is certainly a true statement which represents the actual situation in OpenStreetMap, I think it isn't needed in the proposal. Mappers will always feel free to add

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've looked into these. Most inclined elevators seem to also operate with cables, with the difference being that in a funicular there are 2 cars attached to 1 cable, so one ascends while the other descends, but in an inclined elevator each car (or there might only be 1 car) is attached to a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-04 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 19:56, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > They do not imply that you have to fear airplanes on the street, they > are meant to prepare you for low flying aircraft. > Up until around ten years ago, a minor road went past the end of the runway at what passes for an airport. The

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Clay Smalley
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 5:00 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The wiki page text says that a railway=funicular is "A funicular, also > known as an inclined plane or cliff railway, is a cable railway in which a > cable attached to a pair of tram-like vehicles on rails moves them up and > down a steep

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
My main issue with this is not technical details about how they work, but about how they are used. They look like an elevator, act like one and serve exactly the same purpose. You press a button, they come, the doors open, you press a button inside to go up or down, etc. They are used on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-04 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
There's a few usages of hazard=golf_balls, which is more like what you're describing and actually a hazard. It seems a bit nebulous, but perhaps the sign could be mapped. That's different from a golf crossing, which is a place where golfers and golf carts would cross a road. I've already added

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (verifiability - frost heave?)

2020-12-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 07:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > This will make it easier to fix problems with mappers who want to add > hazard=curve to every single curve on a long curvy road, or add very > subjective hazard features which cannot be confirmed or denied even when > visiting the

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
Sorry for spamming. I also think it's fine if the Montmarte funicular is tagged as a funicular. But I'm asking because of things that are clearly elevators, like this one: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-tekniska-hgskolan-metro-station-stermalm-district-stockholm-sweden-41948022.html . It

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Clay Smalley
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 6:30 PM Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > Sorry for spamming. > > I also think it's fine if the Montmarte funicular is tagged as a > funicular. But I'm asking because of things that are clearly elevators, > like this one: >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
While hazard=yes is certainly in use (like barrier=yes and even amenity=yes), it shouldn't be included in the proposal. In every case it will be more helpful if users make up a new tag. If there is a sign warning of monkeys which are prone to steal tourist's purses, then

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (verifiability - frost heave?)

2020-12-04 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
This was a concern of mine as well. I did not want someone micromapping every bend in a road with hazard=curve for example. The intent is for officially declared hazards rather than vague interpretations. However, I also recognize that, particularly in the developing world, formal signage or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (frost heave?)

2020-12-04 Thread Jez Nicholson
As long as your frost heave conforms to verifiability guidelines by being either: a) signposted (possibly) b) fenced off, with a sign (no, because it's in the road) c) a government-declared hazardous area (no) I'm concerned that this hazard tagging proposal will encourage subjective tagging over

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-04 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 8:50 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I poked into the existing usages of hazard=landslide, and they seem to > mostly be on hiking trails or at best track roads, rather than regular > roads. I don't think anyone would quibble with tagging a landslide hazard > on this [1]