Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Paul Johnson]

Even though the editors and at least one major consumer handle the tagging
the way I mentioned, and not centre_turn_lane=*?  FryIsNotSureIfSerious.jpg

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Tristan Anderson <
andersontris...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In that case the developers at Osmand have some work to do.
>
> All we do is provide the data.  Individual consumers can choose whether
> they want to use it.
>
>
> --
> *From:* Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org>
> *Sent:* February 19, 2017 6:24 AM
> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes
> method vs. lanes:both_ways method
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Tristan Anderson <
> andersontris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've always used
>>
>>
>> lanes=5
>>
>> centre_turn_lane=yes
>>
>>
>> as a shortcut that implies
>>
>>
>> lanes=5
>> lanes:forward=2
>> lanes:both_ways=1
>> lanes:backward=2
>> turn:lanes:both_ways=left
>>
>> It's just a way to reduce five tags to two in a common, special-case
>> situation.  Lanes can be any odd number greater than one.
>>
>
> I'm not sure of any data consumers that would assume that shorthand.  I
> know Osmand correctly recognizes the latter, but would not parse the
> former.
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Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Tristan Anderson]

In that case the developers at Osmand have some work to do.

All we do is provide the data.  Individual consumers can choose whether they 
want to use it.


From: Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org>
Sent: February 19, 2017 6:24 AM
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. 
lanes:both_ways method



On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Tristan Anderson 
<andersontris...@hotmail.com<mailto:andersontris...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

I've always used


lanes=5

centre_turn_lane=yes


as a shortcut that implies


lanes=5
lanes:forward=2
lanes:both_ways=1
lanes:backward=2
turn:lanes:both_ways=left

It's just a way to reduce five tags to two in a common, special-case situation. 
 Lanes can be any odd number greater than one.

I'm not sure of any data consumers that would assume that shorthand.  I know 
Osmand correctly recognizes the latter, but would not parse the former.
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Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Paul Johnson]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> I like the centre_turn_lane=yes method.
>
> But there is also the lanes= x|x|x method as shown on
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes
>
> Assume I have a 5-lane road with two normal lanes in each direction and a
> centre-turn lane in the middle (right-hand traffic).
>
> The lane directions are:
> direction:lanes=backward|backward|both|forward|forward
>
> How do I tag the turn instructions?
> Is it:
> turn:lanes=left|through|both_ways|through|right
> (i.e. the turn direction is referred  to the direction of the way)?
>
> Or or should the turn direction be referred to the direction of the lane,
> i.e.
> turn:lanes=right|through|both_ways|through|right
> ?
>

turn:lanes:forward and turn:lanes:backward.  JOSM's turnlanes-tagging
 plugin makes tagging lanes a
real snap.  I strongly advise using that rather than trying to hand tag
lanes.
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Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Volker Schmidt]

I like the centre_turn_lane=yes method.

But there is also the lanes= x|x|x method as shown on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes

Assume I have a 5-lane road with two normal lanes in each direction and a
centre-turn lane in the middle (right-hand traffic).

The lane directions are:
direction:lanes=backward|backward|both|forward|forward

How do I tag the turn instructions?
Is it:
turn:lanes=left|through|both_ways|through|right
(i.e. the turn direction is referred  to the direction of the way)?

Or or should the turn direction be referred to the direction of the lane,
i.e.
turn:lanes=right|through|both_ways|through|right
?

BTW the centre_turn_lane=yes method generates a JOSM warning:
"missing tag - street with odd number of lanes, but without lanes:forward
and lanes:backward or oneway "
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Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Tristan Anderson <
andersontris...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I've always used
>
>
> lanes=5
>
> centre_turn_lane=yes
>
>
> as a shortcut that implies
>
>
> lanes=5
> lanes:forward=2
> lanes:both_ways=1
> lanes:backward=2
> turn:lanes:both_ways=left
>
> It's just a way to reduce five tags to two in a common, special-case
> situation.  Lanes can be any odd number greater than one.
>

I'm not sure of any data consumers that would assume that shorthand.  I
know Osmand correctly recognizes the latter, but would not parse the
former.
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Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Tristan Anderson]

I've always used


lanes=5

centre_turn_lane=yes


as a shortcut that implies


lanes=5
lanes:forward=2
lanes:both_ways=1
lanes:backward=2
turn:lanes:both_ways=left

It's just a way to reduce five tags to two in a common, special-case situation. 
 Lanes can be any odd number greater than one.


From: Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org>
Sent: February 16, 2017 9:20 AM
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. 
lanes:both_ways method

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Albert Pundt 
<roadsgu...@gmail.com<mailto:roadsgu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
To go along with my earlier question about "semi-divided" streets, what is 
considered the best way to map center turning lanes? I know of the 
centre_turn_lane=yes key, as well as lanes=3 used together with 
lanes:both_ways=1 and turn:lanes:both_ways=left, but which of these two is 
considered better or is simply used more? Additionally, are there any other 
ways of doing it?

centre_turn_lane=yes seems more straightforward, but the lanes:both_ways method 
offers a more detailed description of lane layout. I've seen both used in the 
wild.

Try (assuming drive on right areas):

lanes=3
lanes:forward=1
lanes:both_ways=1
lanes:backward=1
turn:lanes:both_ways=left

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Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Paul Johnson]

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Albert Pundt  wrote:

> To go along with my earlier question about "semi-divided" streets, what is
> considered the best way to map center turning lanes? I know of the
> centre_turn_lane=yes key, as well as lanes=3 used together with
> lanes:both_ways=1 and turn:lanes:both_ways=left, but which of these two is
> considered better or is simply used more? Additionally, are there any other
> ways of doing it?
>
> centre_turn_lane=yes seems more straightforward, but the lanes:both_ways
> method offers a more detailed description of lane layout. I've seen both
> used in the wild.
>

Try (assuming drive on right areas):

lanes=3
lanes:forward=1
lanes:both_ways=1
lanes:backward=1
turn:lanes:both_ways=left
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