Am Mo., 6. Jan. 2020 um 06:45 Uhr schrieb Julien djakk <
djakk.geograp...@gmail.com>:
> I would vote for an importance tag, values from 1 to 6 : for some roads or
> path we could reach a cool level of details : example :
> car:importance:commute=1, bike:importance:long-distance=3
>
> We can
Hello ! Please note that the highway tagging is designed for cars : there
should be also a highway-like tagging for trucks, for bikes, and for
pedestrians.
Plus : there is the commuter point of view and the long-distance point of
view :-)
I would vote for an importance tag, values from 1 to 6 :
I know this discussion is US specific, but we've struggled with
similar issues in Brazil as well, for very similar reasons. It seems
we've made some progress in the southern region when we chose to judge
importance according to a somewhat simple method (it started as: trunk
= best routes between
On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 17:09, yo paseopor wrote:
You lost my point of view:(WHICH) the best (or worst) conditions for a
> road you can find in a country. In some countries will be seem like a
> motorway, in other countries or zones will be a sand track. And the other
> focus: WHO can know these
Hi!
You lost my point of view:(WHICH) the best (or worst) conditions for a
road you can find in a country. In some countries will be seem like a
motorway, in other countries or zones will be a sand track. And the other
focus: WHO can know these conditions (local communitters, people who lived
in
highway=road is solely for unsurveyed roads of unknown class
(useful for mapping from low quality aerial images).
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Droad
26 Dec 2019, 19:50 by erkinalp9...@gmail.com:
> No, that is highway=road. highway=unclassified is one grade above that.
>
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> On 27. Dec 2019, at 11:18, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
> highway=road tends to be most typically used to indicate that there is a
> traversable path of unknown quality
> +1
+1, of unknown quality, classification and access, it is a kind of fixme that
should be modified
26 Dec 2019, 20:02 by ba...@ursamundi.org:
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 12:50 PM Erkin Alp Güney <> erkinalp9...@gmail.com> >
> wrote:
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>> No, that is highway=road. highway=unclassified is one grade above that.
>>
>
> highway=road tends to be most typically used to indicate that there is a
>
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 12:50 PM Erkin Alp Güney
wrote:
> No, that is highway=road. highway=unclassified is one grade above that.
>
highway=road tends to be most typically used to indicate that there is a
traversable path of unknown quality, or a temporary road in a construction
zone. These
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:51 PM Erkin Alp Güney wrote:
>
> No, that is highway=road. highway=unclassified is one grade above that.
Locally to me, `highway=road` is pretty much synonymous with 'needs a
field survey'; we consider it as an interim tag for something that's
not otherwise identified.
No, that is highway=road. highway=unclassified is one grade above that.
26.12.2019 21:39 tarihinde yo paseopor yazdı:
>
> In a country like Zambia or Congo unclassified would be the worst
> condition road you can find in that country (but not track), so only
> local community people (or people
First problem for classifications is the reason of the classification. What
is this reason: administrative laws (with their political facts to keep in
mind) or physical conditions (the best for the performance of the vehicles
you would have in this road)?
Second problem is the reality of the
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, 19:05 Graeme Fitzpatrick,
wrote:
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> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 19:18, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
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>> lanes=2
>> surface=unpaved
>>
>
> But would they still count as either =trunk or =primary?
>
> While they're of high local importance, they're definitely not
>
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> On 22. Dec 2019, at 01:24, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>
> Do highway=trunk in German always have a physical barrier such a kerb
> to separate the two directions, even if they are not a dual
> carriageway?
road
>
> The English highway=trunk page says this about Germany
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 3:48 PM Martin Koppenhoefer
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> sent from a phone
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> > On 21. Dec 2019, at 01:10, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately, the road classification system in parts of Continental
> > Europe was different, so mappers in some major countries, including
> >
Do highway=trunk in German always have a physical barrier such a kerb
to separate the two directions, even if they are not a dual
carriageway?
The English highway=trunk page says this about Germany "The
carriageways are separated physically or by road markings".
An automated translation of the
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>> On 21. Dec 2019, at 22:54, Joseph Eisenberg
>> wrote:
> Thank you for the correction. So highway=trunk in German is similar to
> expressway=yes in the USA?
I am not familiar with US tagging, but the expressway page says they must be
dual carriageways and can have at
Thank you for the correction. So highway=trunk in German is similar to
expressway=yes in the USA?
Joseph
On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 6:49 AM Martin Koppenhoefer
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> sent from a phone
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> > On 21. Dec 2019, at 01:10, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately, the road classification
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> On 21. Dec 2019, at 01:10, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the road classification system in parts of Continental
> Europe was different, so mappers in some major countries, including
> Germany and France, chose to use highway=trunk as synonym for
>
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 6:37 AM Jarek Piórkowski
wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 22:30, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >> > What I'm saying is highway=bundesstraße could be acceptable, but
> straße=bundestraße wouldn't be. Mostly so way type objects with highway=*
> are still potentially routable.
> >>
21 Dec 2019, 15:29 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org:
> * Mateusz Konieczny
>
>> 21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org:
>>
>>> I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least within
>>> a country and try to solve the problem of roads in low-zoom maps at
>>> the rendering
* Mateusz Konieczny
> 21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org:
>> I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least within
>> a country and try to solve the problem of roads in low-zoom maps at
>> the rendering level, by modifying the list of displayed road classes
>> until a
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 22:30, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> > What I'm saying is highway=bundesstraße could be acceptable, but
>> > straße=bundestraße wouldn't be. Mostly so way type objects with highway=*
>> > are still potentially routable.
>>
>> How do you propose these "potential routable"
21 Dec 2019, 12:56 by ajt1...@gmail.com:
> On 21/12/2019 11:40, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
>>
>> 21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by >> wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org>> :
>>
>>> I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least
>>> within
>>> a country and try to solve the problem of
On 21/12/2019 11:40, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org:
I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least within
a country and try to solve the problem of roads in low-zoom maps at
the rendering level, by modifying the list of
21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org:
> I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least within
> a country and try to solve the problem of roads in low-zoom maps at
> the rendering level, by modifying the list of displayed road classes
> until a target density of
> I would expect that a road shown as e.g. trunk in Massachusets would be quite
> similar in
characteristics to a road shown as trunk in Montana.
Characteristics always change strongly between rural areas and urban
areas: in most places a highway=primary will have several lanes in a
large city,
* Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> Above it was said that the highway=trunk vs highway=primary
> distinction is mostly for routing applications. But allowing a proper
> rendering is also a main goal of the road tagging system.
> While it's true that road class is useful for routing when there are
> two
21 Dec 2019, 01:09 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com:
> Above it was said that the highway=trunk vs highway=primary
> distinction is mostly for routing applications. But allowing a proper
> rendering is also a main goal of the road tagging system.
>
Yes, during my work on road display in
OSM Carto
21 Dec 2019, 01:44 by ba...@ursamundi.org:
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>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 1:07 AM Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com>
> > wrote:
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>> 20 Dec 2019, 01:25 by >> ba...@ursamundi.org>> :
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>>> So, for example, in the US, instead of motorway, trunk, primary, secondary,
>>> tertiary,
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 7:47 PM Jarek Piórkowski
wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 20:26, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >> > I'm not arguing in favor of a change in language for key name. But
> the local broadly accepted classification terminology (preferably in
> English for consistency sake) for the
> On Dec 20, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
>
> What I'm saying is highway=bundesstraße could be acceptable, but
> straße=bundestraße wouldn't be. Mostly so way type objects with highway=*
> are still potentially routable.
I sure wouldn’t want to be the person in charge of
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 20:26, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> > I'm not arguing in favor of a change in language for key name. But the
>> > local broadly accepted classification terminology (preferably in English
>> > for consistency sake) for the value.
>>
>> Why in English? Bundesstraße is a broadly
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 7:22 PM Jarek Piórkowski
wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 20:16, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 6:57 PM Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Being able to speak each country's highway lingua franca would make
> it a lot easier
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 20:16, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 6:57 PM Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>> > Being able to speak each country's highway lingua franca would make it a
>> > lot easier for OSM to become the Rosetta Stone of maps simply from ease of
>> > classification.
>>
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 6:57 PM Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> > Being able to speak each country's highway lingua franca would make it a
> lot easier for OSM to become the Rosetta Stone of maps simply from ease of
> classification.
>
> That would mean using "jalan=provinsi" instead of
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:22 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
> While =primary refers to "A major highway linking large towns, in
> developed countries normally with 2 lanes. In areas with worse
> infrastructure road quality may be far worse"
>
>> This info is probably worth recording,
>> but legal status should go into a separate tag.
>>
> Legal status of roads in the US isn't quite as clearcut as it is in the UK,
> where the highway=* tag is literally equal to that country's legal
> classification, plus private roads with significant
> Being able to speak each country's highway lingua franca would make it a lot
> easier for OSM to become the Rosetta Stone of maps simply from ease of
> classification.
That would mean using "jalan=provinsi" instead of "highway=primary" in
Indonesia, so any global map service (like
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:41 PM Mateusz Konieczny
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> 20 Dec 2019, 23:04 by graemefi...@gmail.com:
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> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 19:18, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
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> > On 20. Dec 2019, at 04:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick
> wrote:
> >
> > that [/the/] (one & only) road servicing
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 1:07 AM Mateusz Konieczny
wrote:
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> 20 Dec 2019, 01:25 by ba...@ursamundi.org:
>
> So, for example, in the US, instead of motorway, trunk, primary,
> secondary, tertiary, perhaps something more like freeway, expressway,
> major/minor_principal (just having this would fix
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 23:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
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> Thanks, Paul - I don't disagree with a word you said, except maybe the
> importance of road construction?
>
It's complicated, but you understand the difference between a motorway (or
whatever
it is called where you are) and a dirt
Above it was said that the highway=trunk vs highway=primary
distinction is mostly for routing applications. But allowing a proper
rendering is also a main goal of the road tagging system.
While it's true that road class is useful for routing when there are
two alterate routes, a main reason to
sent from a phone
> On 20. Dec 2019, at 23:05, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>> lanes=2
>> surface=unpaved
>
> Thanks, Martin :-)
>
> But would they still count as either =trunk or =primary?
>
> While they're of high local importance, they're definitely not
> high-performance & they don't
On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 at 08:53, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 22:05, Graeme Fitzpatrick
> wrote:
>
>>
>> But would they still count as either =trunk or =primary?
>>
>> While they're of high local importance, they're definitely not
>> high-performance & they don't link major
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 22:05, Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
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> But would they still count as either =trunk or =primary?
>
> While they're of high local importance, they're definitely not
> high-performance & they don't link major population centres either?
>
You have just identified three
20 Dec 2019, 23:04 by graemefi...@gmail.com:
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> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 19:18, Martin Koppenhoefer <> dieterdre...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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>> > On 20. Dec 2019, at 04:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick <>> graemefi...@gmail.com>>
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > that [/the/] (one & only) road
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 19:18, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
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> > On 20. Dec 2019, at 04:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick
> wrote:
> >
> > that [/the/] (one & only) road servicing an area is dirt, if you're
> lucky, 2 lanes wide, but is used constantly by heavy traffic (semi-trailers
> with 3 o4 4
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> On 20. Dec 2019, at 04:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> that [/the/] (one & only) road servicing an area is dirt, if you're lucky, 2
> lanes wide, but is used constantly by heavy traffic (semi-trailers with 3 o4
> 4 trailers on the back).
>
> How do we tie that into
Problem with applying different road classification system from different
places with their individual tags onto local roads is that:
1. Even if we ignore countries that have different rules within different
part of a single country, there are still about 200 countries in this
world. Each of them
20 Dec 2019, 01:25 by ba...@ursamundi.org:
> So, for example, in the US, instead of motorway, trunk, primary, secondary,
> tertiary, perhaps something more like freeway, expressway,
> major/minor_principal (just having this would fix a *lot* of problems with
> Texas and Missouri and their
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 1:19 PM Martijn van Exel wrote:
> I actually like your suggestion that highway=trunk does not add much value
> to the U.S. map, Eric.
> We love to add detail / granularity to OSM so much, it can become hard to
> envisage taking some away.
> Not saying we should abolish
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