Re: [Tagging] A leisure tag for bathe
Erik Johansson erjohan@... writes: I would probably use leisure=bath to map outdoor bathing places, but I'm not sure the word is that much better than a direct translation of the Swedish word, which would be; amenity=place_of_bathing So maybe just use the Swedish word http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badplats leisure=badplats + sport=swiming Or if there is another language which has a word for (outdoor) places where you take baths? I think it would be a mistake to use the values like: bath/place_of_bathing/bath_location/bathing_spot/bath_facility for only open- air baths, it would be to easy to make the mistake and tag a indoor bath with the same. If there is to be one tag only for open-air baths it should be reflected in the name of the value somehow. In german there are words like ''freibad'' (open-air bath) and older words like ''badeanstalt'' (bath facility). The European Environment Agency have a bathing water directive. http://ec.europa.eu/environment/water/water-bathing/index_en.html All member states have to profile and monitor all their outdoor bathing waters and adjacent beaches.(swimming pools excluded from directive) Possible tags for open-air baths could be leisure=open-air_bath leisure=outdoor_bath leisure=bathing_water leisure=beach ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A leisure tag for bathe
2012/3/11 Johan Jönsson joha...@goteborg.cc: I made a try to do go through some examples to see how it worked. They are at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Johan_J%C3%B6nsson/Workspace what I can see, it looks like it is only the open-air public nature bath locations that really lack tags, swimming_pools and indoor bath locations could easily be tagged with current more specialized tags or similar. (e.g. amenity=turkish_bath /tourism=spa/leisure=sports_centre) I would probably use leisure=bath to map outdoor bathing places, but I'm not sure the word is that much better than a direct translation of the Swedish word, which would be; amenity=place_of_bathing So maybe just use the Swedish word http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badplats leisure=badplats + sport=swiming Or if there is another language which has a word for (outdoor) places where you take baths? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A leisure tag for bathe
There seem to be several dimensions to this. Bathing can mean different things to different people, with different English words/usage. I can give a few examples. Firstly, the activity itself: *to get clean (with soap etc) *to exercise or as a sport (swimming pool with lanes) *as a recreation (river/beach/recreational swimming pool) On a different dimension, there is the construction of the facility: *indoor (turkish baths, swimming pool etc) *outdoor+manmade (outdoor swimming pool) *outdoor+natural (river/beach etc) Then there is the type of water: *natural, seawater *natural, fresh water *natural, geothermal *manmade (swimming pool with heavily treated water) These three attributes can probably exist in the real world in any combination. I would suggest tagging them separately, to allow full flexibility and minimise ambiguity. For the activity, we already have leisure=swimming_pool, for sporting or recreational swimming in a manmade construction. The optional addition of sport=swimming differentiates between sport and recreation, but this can't in itself handle mixed facilities. The main activity at a Turkish Bath would probably be getting clean. Isn't it close to the function of a sauna? There's already amenity=sauna with a proposal to change to leisure=sauna. Colin On 11/03/2012 17:15, Johan Jönsson wrote: In older days and in some parts of the world the public bath is an amenity and not a leisure. I am sticking to trying to find one tag for the leisure-bath establishments, but it might be possible to find a general tag encompassing both leisure and amenity and then have subtags to discern them. One such solution would be to not tag the physical place (the bathing-place) but instead use a non-physical tag that states come here when you want to bathe. For the leisure-baths I was thinking about using some kind of subtags leisure=bath bath:outdoor= yes bath:indoor=no or maybe leisure=bath bath:outdoor= sea, pool, lake, river, hot_spring bath:outdoor= beach, cliff, pier, pool, lake, river, hot_spring ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A leisure tag for bathe
Am 12. März 2012 11:06 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: combination. I would suggest tagging them separately, to allow full flexibility and minimise ambiguity. +1 For the activity, we already have leisure=swimming_pool, for sporting or recreational swimming in a manmade construction. What you describe is actually sport=swimming http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sport=swimming leisure=swimming_pool is the physical object swimming pool. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A leisure tag for bathe
Colin Smale colin.smale@... writes: There seem to be several dimensions to this. Bathing can mean different things to different people, with different English words/usage. I can give a few examples. Firstly, the activity itself: *to get clean (with soap etc) *to exercise or as a sport (swimming pool with lanes) *as a recreation (river/beach/recreational swimming pool) On a different dimension, there is the construction of the facility: *indoor (turkish baths, swimming pool etc) *outdoor+manmade (outdoor swimming pool) *outdoor+natural (river/beach etc) Then there is the type of water: *natural, seawater *natural, fresh water *natural, geothermal *manmade (swimming pool with heavily treated water) These three attributes can probably exist in the real world in any combination. I would suggest tagging them separately, to allow full flexibility and minimise ambiguity. Very good summary! This is what I mean, there are plenty of different places to bathe at. As a generalist, I would prefer to have one super-tag and many sub-tags to differentiate. e.g. Leisure = bath bath:activity = wash/exercise/leisure bath:construction = indoor/outdoor/natural bath:water= sea/fresh/mineral/treated There are probably more sub-tags and we can come up with better names and groups. /Johan Jönsson p.s. (If this doesn´t fit the osm-scheme, then I can make separate proposals for all diffferent leisure and amenities, I will need some help with the outdoor ones. I do not like natural=beach to be used for all natural bath places) d.s. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A leisure tag for bathe
Am 10. März 2012 23:16 schrieb Johan Jönsson joha...@goteborg.cc: What do you think about a tag for different kind of places to bathe. Small recluse places along a river, Organized public places with piers and beaches Turkish bathes maybe even hot springs. I´m thinking about something along the lines of leisure=bath Currently there is very few usage in different variations in amenity and none in leisure: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=amenity%3Dhamam (4 times) http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=amenity%3Dturkish (3 and 2 times with - and _ ) there is very few keys with bath as well: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=bath (most of them =25 are bathing=no) What I am after is a place for the leisure activity of immersing the body in water, not the soap and water bath or the compettitive swimming. +1 for distinguishing from swimming, but I wouldn't exclude soap and water ;-) Searching the wiki I ran over this page in German: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE_talk:Schwimmbad which seems to classify turkish baths (hamam) as kind of sauna: Typ= finnish, bio, hamam, gay it still isn't very helpful yet, because there is not really any useful tag suggestions. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A leisure tag for bathe
In older days and in some parts of the world the public bath is an amenity and not a leisure. I am sticking to trying to find one tag for the leisure-bath establishments, but it might be possible to find a general tag encompassing both leisure and amenity and then have subtags to discern them. One such solution would be to not tag the physical place (the bathing-place) but instead use a non-physical tag that states come here when you want to bathe. For the leisure-baths I was thinking about using some kind of subtags leisure=bath bath:outdoor= yes bath:indoor=no or maybe leisure=bath bath:outdoor= sea, pool, lake, river, hot_spring bath:outdoor= beach, cliff, pier, pool, lake, river, hot_spring ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A leisure tag for bathe
I made a try to do go through some examples to see how it worked. They are at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Johan_J%C3%B6nsson/Workspace what I can see, it looks like it is only the open-air public nature bath locations that really lack tags, swimming_pools and indoor bath locations could easily be tagged with current more specialized tags or similar. (e.g. amenity=turkish_bath /tourism=spa/leisure=sports_centre) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
