On 26/01/2020 12:35, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Florimond Berthoux wrote:
>> How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ?
>
> A couple of ideas were posted in connection with the London cycle
> infrastructure database:
>
> https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues/30
>
On 24/01/2020 10:35, Peter Elderson wrote:
> highway=give_way would not map the situation, just the priority. Maybe
> it's just me, but I think highway=give_way is an unclear tag. Who gives
> way to who, in what direction?
I imagine that is why the wiki lists direction=forward|backward as a
We do now:
Le sam. 25 janv. 2020 à 23:51, Volker Schmidt a écrit :
> Florimond,
>
> already in your otherwise interesting map that you presented in
> Heidelberg, you do not consider all categories:
> 1) sidewalk
>
(cycleway on a sidewalk ? there is no specified tag for that afaik)
2) cycleway
>
Florimond Berthoux wrote:
> How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ?
A couple of ideas were posted in connection with the London cycle
infrastructure database:
https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues/30
https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues/16
Richard
Florimond Berthoux :
> No, I'm not talking about cycling on a sidewalk (I don't know why you
> thought that ??), I discuss continuous sidewalk and continuous cycleway
> together because it's the same layout, the same problem.
>
Ok, my bad. Separate tagging for continuous sidewalk and continuous
Florimond,
already in your otherwise interesting map that you presented in Heidelberg,
you do not consider all categories:
1) sidewalk
2) cycleway
3) combined foot-cycleway (as sidewalk)
4) segregated foot-cycleway (as sidewalk; with separate lanes for
pedestrians and bicycles)
Volker
On Sat,
No, I'm not talking about cycling on a sidewalk (I don't know why you
thought that ??), I discuss continuous sidewalk and continuous cycleway
together because it's the same layout, the same problem.
And I'm doing that because I'm interesting in cycling infrastructure more
than others.
For instance
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> On 25. Jan 2020, at 15:19, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> Well, any crossing involves different ways crossing each other, and should be
> considered from all angles involved. A way can't cross another way without
> being crossed itself.
the question is which way is
Ah, I see. You are talking about cycling on the sidewalk. Indeed, very
unusual in Nederland. To me it's strange to tag continuous_sidewalk mainly
for cycling.
You talk of junction=continuous_sidewalk, I see no reason to even consider
that.
If you have a cycleway, footway or footcycleway around a
Le sam. 25 janv. 2020 à 15:19, Peter Elderson a
écrit :
> Florimond Berthoux :
>
>> With a table the pedestrians have to cross the road, it is the opposite
>> for the continuous sidewalk that's why I'm in favor to add a new value
>>
> traffic_calming=continuous_sidewalk
>>
>
> Well, any crossing
Florimond Berthoux :
> With a table the pedestrians have to cross the road, it is the opposite
> for the continuous sidewalk that's why I'm in favor to add a new value
>
traffic_calming=continuous_sidewalk
>
Well, any crossing involves different ways crossing each other, and should
be considered
Give ways:
> If there is traffic sign or painting you can add a give way tag.
> If there is none, you cannot add a give way, or you would interpret the
> law which is not on the ground.
>
We have many situations of legal restrictions that we express by tagging,
even though there are no explicit
What are the features of a continuous sidewalk ?
The main feature is to have a... continuous sidewalk, which means the
layout of the sidewalk is the same before, at the junction and after. If
you look only at the sidewalk you would not see any difference in surface
or height. (At least for the
Hallo Florimon,
could you eleborate the differnce between your proposal as opposed to
using "traffic_calming=hump" (you mention "traffic_calming=table" on the
wiki page) in conjunction with "highway=crossing" like on this node:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1962458951
> So for pedestrians, you would add a node on the blue line where it crosses
> the centerline of the sidewalk tagged highway=crossing,
> crossing=?
yes (or combine the crossing for pedestrians and cyclists into one node)
and you can add a highway=give_way (or stop) near the node for the
kerb
highway=give_way would not map the situation, just the priority. Maybe it's
just me, but I think highway=give_way is an unclear tag. Who gives way to
who, in what direction?
I think it is better to tag it as a type of crossing. Can be rendered, can
be routed.
Best, Peter Elderson
Op vr 24 jan.
In Nederland, if traffic has to cross a sidewalk to get onto a road, it
> must give way to all other traffic when leaving the sidewalk. In effect,
> this cancels the priority to the right. rule.That makes it different from a
> zebra crossing, which does give priority to pedestrians, but does not
>
Same thing in Nederland.
Best, Peter Elderson
Op vr 24 jan. 2020 om 10:55 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com>:
> In Germany, this is how the beginning / end of living streets work:
>
> http://www.gablenberger-klaus.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/K-Spielstra%C3%9Fe-1.jpg
>
So for pedestrians, you would add a node on the blue line where it crosses
the centerline of the sidewalk tagged highway=crossing,
crossing=?
Vr gr Peter Elderson
Op vr 24 jan. 2020 om 10:48 schreef Marc Gemis :
> I made a quick sketch:
>
>
In Germany, this is how the beginning / end of living streets work:
http://www.gablenberger-klaus.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/K-Spielstra%C3%9Fe-1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Drosselweg.JPG
Cheers
Martin
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I made a quick sketch:
https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/Screenshots/Screenshots-1/i-w92ZnDZ/0/90e60837/X4/Bezuidenhoutseweg%20-%20Google%20Maps-X4.png
Of course, this info is then only available for the cars following the
blue road. Cycling navigation along de Bezuidenhoutseweg will not be
able to
Add a node where the way, which represents the road for the cars,
crosses the cycleway. There does not have to be a way representing the
cycleway. We do the same for zebra crossings for pedestrians all the
time. We add the node where the path that the pedestrians have to
follow crosses the road
"for instance in France a car driver crossing a sidewalk must give way
> to others" says the wiki page. Presumably this is a different legal
> case than at a crosswalk in France.
>
In Nederland, if traffic has to cross a sidewalk to get onto a road, it
must give way to all other traffic when
Op vr 24 jan. 2020 om 07:38 schreef Marc Gemis :
> could this be solved with highway=crossing and a new, dedicated value
> for crossing?
> And you could map the kerbs before and after that crossing.
>
(How) would this work where sidewalks are not mapped as separate ways but
with sidewalk=yes?
could this be solved with highway=crossing and a new, dedicated value
for crossing?
And you could map the kerbs before and after that crossing.
regards
m
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:29 AM Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> YM like here?
>
YM like here?
Hi Florimand!
This is an interesting situation. Would it be possible to draw an overhead
diagram of the situation in question? Also, is this a tag that could
potentially go through the proposal process? It isn't in taginfo I'd be
happy to help any way I can.
Best,
Nick
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020,
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 17:05, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 21:11, Florimond Berthoux
> wrote:
>> How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ?
>> In order to solve this question I created a wiki page to sum up my first try
>> to tag this:
>>
How is this legally and physically different form this situation:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/203142300
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/B9kqmuGy9C2qp0O86oQy5Q
?
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 21:11, Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How to map a continuous
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