Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-05 Thread Francesco Ansanelli
Hello, I want to give you an example of how I described this feature (inclined elevator) in my town.. First of all a master relation: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10433645 Then 2 relations: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10433643

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that the indoor or semi-indoor inclined elevators, which are fully enclosed and look completely similar to a vertical elevator, should be tagged as highway=elevator. Once they are outdoors and there are visible tracks it gets ambiguous. Since the Montmarte "funicular" is tagged as

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Clay Smalley
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 6:30 PM Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > Sorry for spamming. > > I also think it's fine if the Montmarte funicular is tagged as a > funicular. But I'm asking because of things that are clearly elevators, > like this one: >

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
Sorry for spamming. I also think it's fine if the Montmarte funicular is tagged as a funicular. But I'm asking because of things that are clearly elevators, like this one: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-tekniska-hgskolan-metro-station-stermalm-district-stockholm-sweden-41948022.html . It

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Clay Smalley
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 5:00 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The wiki page text says that a railway=funicular is "A funicular, also > known as an inclined plane or cliff railway, is a cable railway in which a > cable attached to a pair of tram-like vehicles on rails moves them up and > down a steep

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
My main issue with this is not technical details about how they work, but about how they are used. They look like an elevator, act like one and serve exactly the same purpose. You press a button, they come, the doors open, you press a button inside to go up or down, etc. They are used on

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've looked into these. Most inclined elevators seem to also operate with cables, with the difference being that in a funicular there are 2 cars attached to 1 cable, so one ascends while the other descends, but in an inclined elevator each car (or there might only be 1 car) is attached to a

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 08:33, Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > Yes, but this is a node, not a way. Inclined elevators require a way and > those are not displayed properly. > Sorry, didn't get what you were getting at! Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
Yes, but this is a node, not a way. Inclined elevators require a way and those are not displayed properly. On 3 December 2020 23:05:14 CET, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 23:19, Guillaume Chauvat >wrote: > >> I used a way tagged with highway=elevator as the wiki recommends,

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 23:19, Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > I used a way tagged with highway=elevator as the wiki recommends, but this > does not seem supported by any tool (the default editor, the map on > openstreetmap.org, or osmand). > Highway=elevator renders on the main map eg

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 3. Dec 2020, at 16:53, 德泉 談 via Tagging wrote: > > I think the description in OSM wiki looks fine. Not supported by osm-carto > and other tools needs to be reported by somebody, worth doing that. +1, I would also think the wiki is fine, after all, a way seems the

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread 德泉 談 via Tagging
I'd taken both inclined elevator and funicular railway. I think it could seen as two different kind of things. Inclined elevators travel with short distance in most of the time, their structure is quite different that it shouldn't be bracket with the other. I think the description in OSM wiki

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
It is supported by the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Delevator#How_to_Map_as_a_Way There is an issue here, closed in 2016, "at least until a discussion on the tagging list suggests otherwise." https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1953 IMHO this is

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
The one I am talking about is really an elevator. It's the one on the left in the picture here: http://nyttiflempan.sh.se/flemingsberg/2015-04-21/S%C3%B6dert%C3%B6rns-rulltrappa-en-huvudv%C3%A4rk-f%C3%B6r-kommunen-12389.html Guillaume On 3 December 2020 15:58:03 CET, Mateusz Konieczny via

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Is it both something that makes sense, accepted by community and supported by Wiki? In such case, have you checked whatever this feature was already requested for mentioned software? It is both rare(?) and tricky to implement in rendering, but editors have greater freedom to handle this. And

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
This one looks to me like a small funicular railway. But OSM Wiki includes "the ascending and descending vehicles counterbalancing each other" as one of important characteristic. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway=funicular?uselang=en Dec 3, 2020, 14:53 by winfi...@gmail.com: >

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Jo
I couldn't resist looking them up. This is a very long one and there is even an operator in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh0NxK6sslM Most are the length of the escalators they are adjacent to. Polyglot On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 2:19 PM Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > Hi, > > My apologies if