Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-07 Thread Jeroen Hoek
On 07-01-20 14:14, Rory McCann wrote:> Countries in OSM should already
include the ISO3166 code as a tag. Data
> consumers, or OSM based search engines, could just interpret the emoiji
> search term as 2 regular ASCII characters, and do the look up there. No
> need for a separate emoiji tag.

That is a good suggestion, but the problem is that not every ISO 3166
code is a valid Regional Indicator Symbol pair. There are also other
codes that cannot be derived from the ISO 3166 code, such as the flags
for England, Scotland, and Wales, which are represented by a different
Unicode/emoji mechanism called Tags (e.g., the flag of Scotland is
represented by the Unicode emoji  (waving black flag) followed by the
tag-characters 'gbsct').

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tags_(Unicode_block)

> If you add it as a separate tag, then there's the risk that data becomes
> different from the ISO code.

I'm not too worried about that. Countries tend to remain rather stable
on the map; any changes usually imply countries changing names (and
regimes), splitting up, or combining with other countries, and garner a
lot of scrutinization. I would wager that name:Zsye will be updated
before at least half of the other name-tags is.

Jeroen Hoek

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-07 Thread Rory McCann

On 07/01/2020 13:40, Jeroen Hoek wrote:

If done correctly, this would mean you could search OSM for a flag
copy/pasted from somewhere (like chat), and get the region represented
by that flag as a search result.

So to me it seems that this isn't so much about getting the emoji for
the Statue of Liberty to resolve (although that is possible), but more
about being to use country flags to search OSM for the corresponding
country.

Of course the proposal should reflect on how to ensure the correct
Regional Indicator Symbol pairs are added. One way to do this, is by
using the exsiting ISO3166-1:alpha2 and flag keys, and verify that the
flag rendered via Regional Indicator Symbols matches the flag-value.


Countries in OSM should already include the ISO3166 code as a tag. Data 
consumers, or OSM based search engines, could just interpret the emoiji 
search term as 2 regular ASCII characters, and do the look up there. No 
need for a separate emoiji tag.


If you add it as a separate tag, then there's the risk that data becomes 
different from the ISO code.



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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-07 Thread Jeroen Hoek
On 06-01-2020 23:44, Hauke Stieler wrote:
>> I could sort of understand if a business name was an emoji, rather than
>> real words, but I'm not aware of any cases of this?
> 
> But I would tag a pure emoji-name of a company using the normal "name"
> key. However I'm also not aware of any case.

There seems to be some confusion about what name:Zsye is about. While
the ISO 15924 script code 'Zsye' is labelled 'emoji', the edit proposed
by Ferdinand0101 mainly introduces Regional Indicator Symbol pairs for
countries. These pairs tend to resolve to those countries' flags, e.g.,
, which you may see rendered as the Dutch flag, is composed of two
of these Regional Indicator Symbols that represent 'N' and 'L' (i.e., 
and ).

If done correctly, this would mean you could search OSM for a flag
copy/pasted from somewhere (like chat), and get the region represented
by that flag as a search result.

So to me it seems that this isn't so much about getting the emoji for
the Statue of Liberty to resolve (although that is possible), but more
about being to use country flags to search OSM for the corresponding
country.

Of course the proposal should reflect on how to ensure the correct
Regional Indicator Symbol pairs are added. One way to do this, is by
using the exsiting ISO3166-1:alpha2 and flag keys, and verify that the
flag rendered via Regional Indicator Symbols matches the flag-value.

Jeroen Hoek

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread Hauke Stieler
> I could sort of understand if a business name was an emoji, rather than
> real words, but I'm not aware of any cases of this?

But I would tag a pure emoji-name of a company using the normal "name"
key. However I'm also not aware of any case.

Hauke



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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 08:26, Paul Allen  wrote:

>
> There are few, if any, use cases where the cosmetic enhancement of the few
> relevant emojis would make sense or improve the map in any meaningful way.
>

I could sort of understand if a business name was an emoji, rather than
real words, but I'm not aware of any cases of this?

  Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 22:11,  wrote:

> I have now added a rationale part.
>

I don't see searches as relevant.  There are far more emojis than most
people
can remember.  Many emojis are indecipherable unless you're already familiar
with them.  So this is how the search would actually go...

Do a search to see if a Mount Everest emoji exists.  If it does, copy and
paste
it into the OSM search box.  It is far easier and quicker to just type
"mount
everest" into OSM than type "mount everest emoji" into google so you can
copy and paste the result, if there is one, into OSM.

There are few, if any, use cases where the cosmetic enhancement of the few
relevant emojis would make sense or improve the map in any meaningful way.

I remain firmly unconvinced.

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Paul
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread ferdi98701
I have now added a rationale part.From: Paul AllenSent: Montag, 6. Januar 2020 23:00To: Tag discussion, strategy and related toolsSubject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 21:49, <ferdi98...@gmail.com> wrote:I have made this drafthttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Emoji_names for this Topic and I would like feedback and improvement The proposal needs a rationale explaining why it is necessary, or at least whyit serves a useful purpose, to specify emojis for objects. Either only a very limited number of such emojis exists (such as for the Statueof Liberty) in which case the ordinary name is better or every possible toponymwill get its own emoji (which would be unworkable). Oh, and one of the emojis in your proposal is for the US flag, not the US. It all seems kind of pointless to me.  I await your rationale... -- Paul  

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 21:49,  wrote:

> I have made this draft
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Emoji_names
> for this Topic and I would like feedback and improvement
>

The proposal needs a rationale explaining why it is necessary, or at least
why
it serves a useful purpose, to specify emojis for objects.

Either only a very limited number of such emojis exists (such as for the
Statue
of Liberty) in which case the ordinary name is better or every possible
toponym
will get its own emoji (which would be unworkable).

Oh, and one of the emojis in your proposal is for the US flag, not the US.

It all seems kind of pointless to me.  I await your rationale...

-- 
Paul
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