Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

I would add in the wiki that if the tag cave:name=* is absent, name=* can be considered to be the name of the cave and the entrance. That way we are consistent with the way the name tag was used until now. Janko sri, 7. ruj 2016. u 12:25 Martin Koppenhoefer napisao je:

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

2016-09-07 12:08 GMT+02:00 Richard : > 16477 of natural=cave_entrance + name out there. Redefining the meaning of > name at this point might not be a good idea. > it is at the most a "re-redefining" because originally on the cave entrance page there was no mention of "name"

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

On Wed, Sep 07, 2016 at 12:15:16AM +0200, ksg wrote: > > > Am 06.09.2016 um 09:44 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > > 2016-09-03 14:46 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > Are there any objections to make clear on the cave entrance page that > >

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

2016-09-07 0:15 GMT+02:00 ksg : > I understand your intention to remove the inconsistent semantics in > cave:ref vs name. But redefining a name tag that is already widespread used > (22k objects) is tricky. I would suspect that many cave entrances have no > specific names,

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 02:46:40PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Il giorno 31 ago 2016, alle ore 12:23, Richard ha > > scritto: > > > > Apparently such ids are already used in OSM > > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1049851511). >

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

> Am 06.09.2016 um 09:44 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2016-09-03 14:46 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > Are there any objections to make clear on the cave entrance page that "name" > on a cave entrance object is the name of the cave

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

What about renderers? Should they render name or cave:name? If a small cave has only one entrance, is it right to name that entrance by the name of the cave? It's probably going to be used that way. We should tell Nominatim to start indexing cave:name tags. Janko uto, 6. ruj 2016. u 09:47

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

2016-09-03 14:46 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > Are there any objections to make clear on the cave entrance page that > "name" on a cave entrance object is the name of the cave entrance? > Thank you all for your contributions, I have now modified the cave entrance

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

sent from a phone > Il giorno 31 ago 2016, alle ore 12:23, Richard ha > scritto: > > Apparently such ids are already used in OSM > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1049851511). yes, this thread is about the name tag Are there any objections to make clear on the

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:27:00PM +0200, ksg wrote: > > In Austria and the adjacent Bavarian Alps of Germany exist a rather > elaborated hierarchical index of caves (Österreichisches Höhlen Verzeichnis > (ÖHV) = Austrian Cave Index) - > http://hoehle.org/downloads/SD_10_Handbuch.pdf. The

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

> Am 30.08.2016 um 13:39 schrieb Richard : > > So what does cave:ref really mean? Should that say something like > "unique cave identifier"? > Shouldn't cave:ref be subtyped for example as "cave:ref:at" or > "cave:ref:fr" for austrian resp french ids to prevent id clashes?

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

sent from a phone > Il giorno 30 ago 2016, alle ore 13:39, Richard ha > scritto: > > added that to the description, the docs still need tweaking. > German cave_entrance description lacks any mention of "cave:ref". > The english says "number in a cave cadastre" which is

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

In Spain there isn't any cave cadastre. Each speleology club give a name and/or ref to the caves they found in their explaration area. Each club has its own system to name the new caves. So it could be need to specify also the club in the ref? It will be cave:ref:es:CEA=A-111 for a cave explored

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 05:20:19PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Il giorno 29 ago 2016, alle ore 12:24, Richard ha > > scritto: > > > > are you saying we should use "cave:ref" just to avoid the use of a relation? > > > according to the

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

sent from a phone > Il giorno 29 ago 2016, alle ore 20:25, Kevin Kenny > ha scritto: > > . I find that I wind up creating multipolygons for my own sanity, even where > I could create a compact polygon by tracing adjacent ways. I'm much more > comfortable

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Why? Is there a new trend to avoid relations at all cost? > > it's actually an old rule. Relations, being expensive, should be avoided > where not necessary. They are also less reliable, because you can

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

sent from a phone > Il giorno 29 ago 2016, alle ore 12:24, Richard ha > scritto: > > are you saying we should use "cave:ref" just to avoid the use of a relation? according to the wiki, that's the standard fag to add to a cave entrance for referring to the cave ref

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 04:56:13PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2016-08-28 15:23 GMT+02:00 Richard : > > > As the cave may have other cave-wide attributes there may be other reasons > > to have a relation for it. > > > > > > no, you just need an object for the cave,

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

2016-08-28 15:23 GMT+02:00 Richard : > As the cave may have other cave-wide attributes there may be other reasons > to have a relation for it. > no, you just need an object for the cave, and with natural=cave you will have this object (could be a node or a way, clearly a

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 02:32:53PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Il giorno 28 ago 2016, alle ore 13:31, Richard ha > > scritto: > > > > So if you have several cave entrances belonging to a cave you could have > > a relation specifying

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

sent from a phone > Il giorno 28 ago 2016, alle ore 13:31, Richard ha > scritto: > > So if you have several cave entrances belonging to a cave you could have > a relation specifying the name of the cave and entrances with own names. isn't the relation only needed until

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 03:59:11PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > It seems not very consistent that the wiki suggests the tag "cave:ref" for > the ref of the cave but "name" for the name of the cave. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcave_entrance > > I would suggest