Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 6:32 PM Scott Allen wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 at 18:53, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > > PasberryPi Pico w lan 8720 module (I lprefer wired communications - - > > security) > > I found this article: >

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-30 18:53, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: You likely quite disbelieve me - - - you are welcome to check for yourself. I would be quite happy to be proven wrong! Unless you're using DHCP, that device wouldn't be usable.  What is it? --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 at 18:53, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > beagleBoneBlack It appears that it runs Debian Linux, so you would set an IPv4 address with any length of mask in the usual way for Debian. -- Scott --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 at 18:53, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > PasberryPi Pico w lan 8720 module (I lprefer wired communications - - > security) I found this article: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/how-to-add-ethernet-to-raspberry-pi-pico/ If you follow it, your Pico will obtain an IP address

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 05:53:04PM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 5:21 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > > > > On 2023-04-30 17:55, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > > > I just spent over 1/2 hour looking at a number of SoCs (3) and > > > microcontrollers > > > (also 3)

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 5:21 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > > On 2023-04-30 17:55, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > > I just spent over 1/2 hour looking at a number of SoCs (3) and > > microcontrollers > > (also 3) and I can't find one where I can give it this 'classless' > > address you're > >

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-30 17:55, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: I just spent over 1/2 hour looking at a number of SoCs (3) and microcontrollers (also 3) and I can't find one where I can give it this 'classless' address you're talking about. Is there nowhere to set the subnet mask?  Either with / notation or

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 at 17:56, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > I just spent over 1/2 hour looking at a number of SoCs (3) and > microcontrollers > (also 3) and I can't find one where I can give it this 'classless' > address you're > talking about. Specifics? -- Scott --- Post to this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 9:52 AM James Knott via talk wrote: > > On 2023-04-30 10:40, o1bigtenor wrote: > > You seem to have this mastered - - - - then: > > Yep. I also had some courses when I was at IBM, in the late 90s, and > also went for my CCNA a few years ago. > > > > How do I write more

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 03:44:03PM -0400, James Knott via talk wrote: > If you're on Rogers, you get 2 IPv4 addresses. Well I am not currently, but in a few months I will be. Currently using Teksavvy. -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-30 16:20, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | If you're on Rogers, you get 2 IPv4 addresses. As far as I know, only if you turn off the router function of your Rogers-supplied box (modem/router/AP/...). Yep, you have to use bridge mode. --- Post to this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: James Knott via talk | If you're on Rogers, you get 2 IPv4 addresses. As far as I know, only if you turn off the router function of your Rogers-supplied box (modem/router/AP/...). --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-30 15:40, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: Yeah I certainly get a /56 IPv6 block from my ISP along with a single IPv4 address. Works nicely. If you're on Rogers, you get 2 IPv4 addresses. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 09:35:04AM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > This sounds like a reasonable solution until you actually set up the router. > On 192.168.0.0 - - - - well I haven't found a way to talk directly to more > than > 254 devices - - - - or have you? > > Now if you want to blow a

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 09:30:27AM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > Perhaps you might persuade my ISP to get their collective posteriors > in gear - - - yes? Yeah I certainly get a /56 IPv6 block from my ISP along with a single IPv4 address. Works nicely. -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 09:40:00AM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > You seem to have this mastered - - - - then: > > How do I write more than 254 addresses in ipv4 using only the quad? > > (You get no / anything - - - - just the 4 quads! > The idea is that these are all permanently set - - -

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 12:18:26AM -0400, Val Kulkov via talk wrote: > Next time you connect to some public WiFi network, execute "ifconfig" to > see your IP address and your subnet. In my observations, airports WiFi > networks typically use the /22 subnets (up to 1022 addresses). Most >

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-29 17:39, James Knott wrote: Also, originally, all IPv4 addresses had the same size subnet, /8 This is shown in this document, about an early version of IPv4. It's shown in the diagram on page 1 and the text on page 3, which describe the network (8 bits) and host (24 bits)

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-30 10:40, o1bigtenor wrote: You seem to have this mastered - - - - then: Yep.  I also had some courses when I was at IBM, in the late 90s, and also went for my CCNA a few years ago. How do I write more than 254 addresses in ipv4 using only the quad? (You get no / anything - - -

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-30 10:35, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: This sounds like a reasonable solution until you actually set up the router. On 192.168.0.0 - - - - well I haven't found a way to talk directly to more than 254 devices - - - - or have you? Now if you want to blow a lot of money on routers you

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:28 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > > On 2023-04-29 21:18, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: > > On 2023-04-29 16:04, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > >> (My head is swimming with all the explanations on IP routing - - - > >> have spent about 3 hours now looking at various

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:20 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > > On 2023-04-29 17:48, Scott Allen wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 at 17:39, James Knott wrote: > >> That's only true because people have learned a lot of bad habits with IPv4. > > No, it's because IPv4 addresses are annotated as

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 3:31 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > > On 2023-04-29 16:04, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > > If I set up a router using the 192.168.1.1 I can access some 254 > > distinct IP addresses from my router. > > > > If I set up a router using the 176.10.1.1 how many distinct IP > >

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread Val Kulkov via talk
On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 at 16:04, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > > If I set up a router using the 192.168.1.1 I can access some 254 > distinct IP addresses from my router. > > If I set up a router using the 176.10.1.1 how many distinct IP > addresses can I access? > > (I'm thinking some 64k worth but

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-29 21:18, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: On 2023-04-29 16:04, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: (My head is swimming with all the explanations on IP routing - - - have spent about 3 hours now looking at various documents - - - - I just can't find a clear answer. The first statement is my

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-29 17:48, Scott Allen wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 at 17:39, James Knott wrote: That's only true because people have learned a lot of bad habits with IPv4. No, it's because IPv4 addresses are annotated as x.x.x.x Sticking with class size masks makes it easy to separate the network

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread Kevin Cozens via talk
On 2023-04-29 16:04, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: (My head is swimming with all the explanations on IP routing - - - have spent about 3 hours now looking at various documents - - - - I just can't find a clear answer. The first statement is my present network - - - I'm trying to figure out how to

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 at 17:39, James Knott wrote: > That's only true because people have learned a lot of bad habits with IPv4. No, it's because IPv4 addresses are annotated as x.x.x.x Sticking with class size masks makes it easy to separate the network address part from the device address part.

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-29 17:39, James Knott wrote: That's only true because people have learned a lot of bad habits with IPv4.  Also, originally, all IPv4 addresses had the same size subnet, /8.  As that allowed only 256 networks, address classes were introduced, to provide more, smaller networks.  Then

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-29 16:39, Scott Allen wrote: Also, forget about address classes. They've been obsolete for over 30 years. That said, sticking with class sized masks and matching the network numbers for class based networks tends to simplify addressing and make things less confusing. That's only

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 at 16:31, James Knott via talk wrote: > Also, forget about address classes. They've > been obsolete for over 30 years. That said, sticking with class sized masks and matching the network numbers for class based networks tends to simplify addressing and make things less

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-04-29 16:04, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: If I set up a router using the 192.168.1.1 I can access some 254 distinct IP addresses from my router. If I set up a router using the 176.10.1.1 how many distinct IP addresses can I access? You're looking at the wrong numbers.  What determines

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread Alex Kink via talk
Here is an OK set of videos on how IPv4 addressing works: Pt. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddM9AcreVqY Pt. 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ3T14SIlV4 Pt. 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xlzlgYGqW8 Just try to not pay attention to his millennial bro-ism and excessive use of the

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 at 16:04, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > If I set up a router using the 176.10.1.1 how many distinct IP > addresses can I access? Note that for a local private LAN, you shouldn't use 176.10.x.x The range allocated for private LANs is 172.16.x.x to 172.31.x.x Now it's time for

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread Dhaval Giani via talk
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 13:04 o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > Greetings > > (My head is swimming with all the explanations on IP routing - - - > have spent about 3 hours now looking at various documents - - - - I > just can't find a clear answer. The first statement is my present > network - - -

Re: [GTALUG] how many addresses possible

2023-04-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 at 16:04, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > If I set up a router using the 176.10.1.1 how many distinct IP > addresses can I access? > > (I'm thinking some 64k worth but dunno!) Correct, except you can't use all 1s or all 0s as a host address, so 64k-2. -- Scott --- Post to this