Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 08:41:07PM -0400, Don Tai via talk wrote:
> Ask your landlord to get you a set top box and add the cost to your rent,
> or adopt you as a family member.

Yes to get another box for the fibe service it would have to be done by
the account holder.

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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 05:49:20PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi,
> While this answers my specific question, your comment  about sharing
> services  creates a different one.
> If you have a large house  with more than one television, it is  often the
> case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow other
> members  of your household to  watch what they wish.
> How is indeed  sharing the Internet with the basement of your house
> different?

They seem to realize that not letting one household share wouldn't get
them many customers, while two households in one house they can claim
isn't allowed.

Is it really different?  One could certainly argue that it isn't, but then
the same argument could apply to all the units in a 20 story building.
Where do you draw the line and they seem to go by household.  Of course
is someone renting a room really different than someone renting a basement
apartment with it's own entryway?

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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[Don Tai via talk]

Ask your landlord to get you a set top box and add the cost to your rent,
or adopt you as a family member.

On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 20:05, Karen Lewellen via talk 
wrote:

> Two points in return.
> 1. your provider has no idea if those residing at an address are family
> or not...making that a non -point.
> 2. Rogers is not bell.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 30 May 2023, James Knott via talk wrote:
>
> > On 2023-05-30 17:49, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
> >>  While this answers my specific question, your comment  about sharing
> >>  services  creates a different one.
> >>  If you have a large house  with more than one television, it is often
> the
> >>  case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow
> other
> >>  members  of your household to  watch what they wish.
> >>  How is indeed  sharing the Internet with the basement of your house
> >>  different?
> >
> > 2 points.
> > First, it's all one family.  Also, with Rogers, you pay for each extra
> cable
> > box, on top of your monthly bill.  I live alone, unless you count my
> cat.
> > I have 3 boxes and pay extra for 2 of them.
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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

Two points in return.
1. your provider has no idea if those residing at an address are family 
or not...making that a non -point.

2. Rogers is not bell.



On Tue, 30 May 2023, James Knott via talk wrote:


On 2023-05-30 17:49, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:

 While this answers my specific question, your comment  about sharing
 services  creates a different one.
 If you have a large house  with more than one television, it is often the
 case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow other
 members  of your household to  watch what they wish.
 How is indeed  sharing the Internet with the basement of your house
 different? 


2 points.
First, it's all one family.  Also, with Rogers, you pay for each extra cable 
box, on top of your monthly bill.  I live alone, unless you count my cat.  
I have 3 boxes and pay extra for 2 of them.

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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[James Knott via talk]

On 2023-05-30 17:49, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
While this answers my specific question, your comment  about sharing 
services  creates a different one.
If you have a large house  with more than one television, it is often 
the case that this second television has its own cable box, say to 
allow other members  of your household to  watch what they wish.
How is indeed  sharing the Internet with the basement of your house 
different? 


2 points.
First, it's all one family.  Also, with Rogers, you pay for each extra 
cable box, on top of your monthly bill.  I live alone, unless you count 
my cat.  I have 3 boxes and pay extra for 2 of them.

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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

Hi,
While this answers my specific question, your comment  about sharing 
services  creates a different one.
If you have a large house  with more than one television, it is  often the 
case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow other 
members  of your household to  watch what they wish.
How is indeed  sharing the Internet with the basement of your house 
different?

Kare



On Tue, 30 May 2023, Lennart Sorensen wrote:


On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 05:27:06PM -0400, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:

bell is not being nasty about my Landlord's choices.
bell is being nasty about my body not matching their definition of
disability.
Your point about sharing service is an interesting one, If it is illegal,
how can so many rental structures provide it as apart of their tenancy?
In fact it is a part of my rental agreement, the one provided by the
residential tenancies act.


Just because it is commonly done doesn't mean it isn't against the
provider agreement.  After all netflix also says in their terms of
service that you can't share your passowrd with other people, and yet
lots of people did and now that they are finally cracking down on it,
people are acting like they changed the rules.  The rules were always
there, they just weren't being particularly well enforced.  Just like
Bell isn't doing that much to enforce those rules.  They are probably
more concerned that you can't have a small building with 10 units and
use a single account to provide service to those than they are about a
house renting out a small basement apartement to one person and sharing
with them.


Again my question is very specific.  Is there such a thing as  a universal
Set top box?


No definitely not.  Only a box provided by Bell will work with their
service.

In the US in theory there could be a universal cable box due to FCC
rules about local channels being carried unencrypted on digital cable,
although I am not sure it is enforced and that all cable companies obey
those rules.  In Canada we have no such rules, and cable companies can
do whatever they want.

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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[James Knott via talk]

On 2023-05-30 17:27, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
If it is illegal, how can so many rental structures provide it as 
apart of their tenancy? 


Multi unit buildings, such as an apartment building may have the 
appropriate agreement.  The only way I have experienced that was with 
cable TV and that was a long time ago.  I currently live in a condo and 
pay all my own utilities, other than water.    Someone sharing their 
personal connection is a violation of the contract.  I believe I posted 
a quote from Rogers a while ago.

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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 05:27:06PM -0400, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
> bell is not being nasty about my Landlord's choices.
> bell is being nasty about my body not matching their definition of
> disability.
> Your point about sharing service is an interesting one, If it is illegal,
> how can so many rental structures provide it as apart of their tenancy?
> In fact it is a part of my rental agreement, the one provided by the
> residential tenancies act.

Just because it is commonly done doesn't mean it isn't against the
provider agreement.  After all netflix also says in their terms of
service that you can't share your passowrd with other people, and yet
lots of people did and now that they are finally cracking down on it,
people are acting like they changed the rules.  The rules were always
there, they just weren't being particularly well enforced.  Just like
Bell isn't doing that much to enforce those rules.  They are probably
more concerned that you can't have a small building with 10 units and
use a single account to provide service to those than they are about a
house renting out a small basement apartement to one person and sharing
with them.

> Again my question is very specific.  Is there such a thing as  a universal
> Set top box?

No definitely not.  Only a box provided by Bell will work with their
service.

In the US in theory there could be a universal cable box due to FCC
rules about local channels being carried unencrypted on digital cable,
although I am not sure it is enforced and that all cable companies obey
those rules.  In Canada we have no such rules, and cable companies can
do whatever they want.

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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

bell is not being nasty about my Landlord's choices.
bell is being nasty about my body not matching their definition of 
disability.
Your point about sharing service is an interesting one, If it is illegal, 
how can so many rental structures provide it as apart of their tenancy?
In fact it is a part of my rental agreement, the one provided by the 
residential tenancies act.


Again my question is very specific.  Is there such a thing as  a universal 
Set top box?




On Tue, 30 May 2023, Don Tai via talk wrote:


For TV I use an antenna and receive over-the-air signals. Full digital,
great HD quality (barring fog) with no compression, and free. I try to use
both Bell and Rogers as little as possible. You do need a digital TV.

On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 14:40, James Knott via talk  wrote:


On 2023-05-30 14:30, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:

Hi folks,
Tapping into your genus once again.


These two might be related.

My landlord is including access to his Fibe TV account, he already
provides internet as a part of my rent.

At this moment Bell and I continue to fight, land line wise and
otherwise. they seem to be preventing Teksavy from helping me

As I mentioned before, sharing services with a tenant is a violation of
the terms of service.  Maybe Bell is being nasty about it.

Perhaps a way around this is to use one of the voice over IP providers,
who will supply a terminal that looks like a plain phone line.


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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[Don Tai via talk]

For TV I use an antenna and receive over-the-air signals. Full digital,
great HD quality (barring fog) with no compression, and free. I try to use
both Bell and Rogers as little as possible. You do need a digital TV.

On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 14:40, James Knott via talk  wrote:

> On 2023-05-30 14:30, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > Tapping into your genus once again.
>
> These two might be related.
>
> My landlord is including access to his Fibe TV account, he already
> provides internet as a part of my rent.
>
> At this moment Bell and I continue to fight, land line wise and
> otherwise. they seem to be preventing Teksavy from helping me
>
> As I mentioned before, sharing services with a tenant is a violation of
> the terms of service.  Maybe Bell is being nasty about it.
>
> Perhaps a way around this is to use one of the voice over IP providers,
> who will supply a terminal that looks like a plain phone line.
>
>
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Re: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[James Knott via talk]

On 2023-05-30 14:30, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:

Hi folks,
Tapping into your genus once again.


These two might be related.

My landlord is including access to his Fibe TV account, he already 
provides internet as a part of my rent.


At this moment Bell and I continue to fight, land line wise and 
otherwise. they seem to be preventing Teksavy from helping me


As I mentioned before, sharing services with a tenant is a violation of 
the terms of service.  Maybe Bell is being nasty about it.


Perhaps a way around this is to use one of the voice over IP providers, 
who will supply a terminal that looks like a plain phone line.



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[GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors.

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

Hi folks,
Tapping into your genus once again.
At this moment Bell and I continue to fight, land line wise and otherwise. 
they seem to be 
preventing 
Teksavy from helping me either, I get an announced visit when not home, 
then weeks of someone will call you with a solution.
If I am honest, because my analog phone services support my brain health 
and I expected to be back on track all this is rather emotionally 
challenging.

then there is the television situation, which leads to my question.
My landlord is including access to his Fibe TV account, he already 
provides internet as a part of my rent.
That means I need a set top box of some kind, my television is 
conventional, I do not use the Internet for viewing, its not inclusive for 
my combination of disability experiences.

Here is the question..or two of them.
first, is there a universal box of some kind that I can get which will let 
me access the available Fibe TV services without using one from Bell 
specifically?

if not then...
Second, can one just rent a set top box by itself?
Thanks all around,
Karen

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Re: [GTALUG] ISC DHCP server is reaching End of Life.

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 06:58:20PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
> I've been using ISC DHCP server for a long long time.
> I just noticed this article.
> It focuses on Kea DHCP server as a replacement.
> 

Kea definitely has much better high availability support.  The method
in the old DHCP server was terribly unreliable.  Also the config is much
more flexible in Kea and can be changed at runtime without restarting.
Being able to send json structures with commands is rather nice.

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