Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Bob Jonkman via talk]

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Russell writes:
> I tend to follow distracting links, and forget my original purpose
> as well

Sometimes that's a bug; sometimes that's a feature...

> Traditional folds so you can book the paper and scan columns don't
> seem to work well any more.

I know! Newspapers should always have an even number of columns so
that you can fold the pages back on themselves, the better for reading
on the subway without spilling all over the other passengers' laps.

- --Bob.

On 2018-03-03 09:18 AM, Russell via talk wrote:
> 
> 
> On March 3, 2018 8:31:07 AM EST, Ken Heard via talk
>  wrote:
>> On 2018-02-02 05:06, Russell via talk wrote:
>> 
>> Snip.
>> 
>>> For my personal pleasure in reading tho, I prefer paper. For
>>> one it's
>> easier on the eyes.
>>> 
>>> Also I have several dog eared reference books I would never
>>> trade for
>> their digital versions. The simple fact is, that while flipping
>> pages searching for one thing, I learn many other things.
>>> 
>>> Accidental learning, this is something almost completely
>>> eliminated
>> by key word searches of digital documents.
>> 
>> I don't think so.  I find that when I look up something on for
>> example Wikipedia, I find myself following many of the links in
>> its articles which take me to all sorts of places unrelated to my
>> original quest. In fact I sometimes run the danger of forgetting
>> what I was originally looking for -- but on the other hand memory
>> loss is attributable to age, and I qualify for such loss on the
>> ground of age.
> 
> Me too. I tend to follow distracting links, and forget my original
> purpose as well. I did say almost in relation to keyword searches.
> Although if you tried to those away from me today, I'd fight you
> tooth and nail.
> 
> Memories are funny things. I use to know all my friends phone
> numbers by heart, now I can't think of one, my phone does that for
> me.
> 
> In support of books, you can underline, highlight and dog ear them,
> even in the bath with little chance of data corruption. Try that
> with a phone and you might put hundreds of dollars at risk and lose
> data to boot.
> 
> In support of digital media. I can add page links to my phones home
> screen and group them in folders. I can download some types of PDFs
> and highlight passages. However I think my favorite reason for
> reading on a handheld is that it is shakey viewing. Just like
> holding a book, I do believe this reduces eyestrain by making the
> eye constantly refocus more often than when sitting in front of a
> monitor.
> 
> IMHO you cant beat a hot bath and a good read.  Newspapers have
> changed their format somewhat. Traditional folds so you can book
> the paper and scan columns don't seem to work well any more.
> 
>> 
>> Ken
> Cheers,
> 

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[David Collier-Brown via talk]

On 03/03/18 08:31 AM, Ken Heard via talk wrote:

On 2018-02-02 05:06, Russell via talk wrote:

Snip.


For my personal pleasure in reading tho, I prefer paper. For one it's easier on 
the eyes.

Also I have several dog eared reference books I would never trade for their 
digital versions. The simple fact is, that while flipping pages searching for 
one thing, I learn many other things.

Accidental learning, this is something almost completely eliminated by key word 
searches of digital documents.

I don't think so.  I find that when I look up something on for example
Wikipedia, I find myself following many of the links in its articles
which take me to all sorts of places unrelated to my original quest. In
fact I sometimes run the danger of forgetting what I was originally
looking for -- but on the other hand memory loss is attributable to age,
and I qualify for such loss on the ground of age.

Ken



I'm now using the chrome dotEPUB add-on to turn web pages into epubs to 
read on my kobo on the bus. This preserves the links and the 
searchability, but gives me an acceptable screen quality.  My typesetter 
friends excoriate even my best dot-matrix screens (;-))



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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Ken Heard via talk]

On 2018-02-02 05:06, Russell via talk wrote:

Snip.

> For my personal pleasure in reading tho, I prefer paper. For one it's easier 
> on the eyes. 
> 
> Also I have several dog eared reference books I would never trade for their 
> digital versions. The simple fact is, that while flipping pages searching for 
> one thing, I learn many other things.
> 
> Accidental learning, this is something almost completely eliminated by key 
> word searches of digital documents. 

I don't think so.  I find that when I look up something on for example
Wikipedia, I find myself following many of the links in its articles
which take me to all sorts of places unrelated to my original quest. In
fact I sometimes run the danger of forgetting what I was originally
looking for -- but on the other hand memory loss is attributable to age,
and I qualify for such loss on the ground of age.

Ken




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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Russell via talk]

On February 7, 2018 5:18:15 PM EST, Evan Leibovitch via talk  
wrote:
>On 1 February 2018 at 14:55, Kevin Cozens via talk 
>wrote:
>
>
>> I doubt it. I prefer the magazine on paper. I spend enough time in
>front
>> of a computer as it is. The last thing I want to do is have to spend
>more
>> time in front of one so I can read a magazine.
>>
>
>
>If you want a paper version of the digital content, there are these
>magical
>things called "printers" that allow you to generate such paper versions
>quickly and inexpensively, in the privacy of your own home. If you

Inexpensive is a relative term. If all the environmental considerations of 
shipping and disposing of household plastic cartridges, residual inks, paper 
and packaging are taken into consideration, then those hidden costs outweigh 
the lesser cost of purchasing a mass produced periodical. 

>don't
>have your own "printer" you may readily find one at libraries, friends'
>homes, UPS stores, or a number of other locations. You could even
>selectively produce your copy so that you don't need to carry around
>content in which you have no interest.

I tend to buy reference books. Fiction, periodicals and broadsheets I tend to 
read at the library.

>
>Sheesh. Talk about first-world problems.

Well we should do all we can to stop shipping our garbage to the so called 
third world, even under the guise of recycling. I note China is going to stop 
taking Western plastics. I guess first world convenience is catching up with 
their capacity to absorb our castoffs.

>
>​It's the content that matters. Like or complain about that. The
>solution
>to preferring a paper version of a digital document that you own is
>distressingly trivial -- unless you derive joy from sucking up the
>resources to truck a physical copy to you from some distant location.​

Everything which is based on convienience sucks up resources. It is price 
points and margins which drive industries. This is why carbon credits are a 
good idea, it exposes those hidden costs. Unfortunately that is also the 
biggest factor in opposition to those credits, industrial need of keeping the 
real world costs hidden from consumers.

>Eliminating the massive costs of centralized printing and distribution
>can
>be the difference between life and death for many publications.

This is the distemper of our time. The massive cost of printing may be 
decentralised but is it really  diminished? 

One of the hidden costs of screen reading is the additional artificial light 
these screens radiate and the effects on eye and even skin health. This sounds 
kind of nitpicky, I know that, but these are real issues. Should you use a uv 
cream in order to read a lcd screen which radiates light?

One of the reasons I do most of my digital reading on a small hand-held device 
is that it is almost always in motion when I use it. This causes the eye to 
constantly refocus, as it is meant to. This serves to reduce eyestrain, just 
like holding a book or a broadsheet.

I think like most things these days, balancing the hidden costs and the choice 
of convienience, is a double edged sword.

>
>-- 
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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 2018-02-01 05:06 PM, Russell wrote:

For my personal pleasure in reading tho, I prefer paper. For one it's
easier on the eyes.

[snip]

Accidental learning, this is something almost completely eliminated by
key word searches of digital documents.


I know what you mean. I have found useful information in printed books while 
flipping through it to find something, or just when randomly looking around 
in the book.


That is not something that would be easy to simulate in an eReader.

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[o1bigtenor via talk]

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 7:38 AM, James Knott via talk 
wrote:

> On 02/02/2018 12:39 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
> > I haven't put my money where my mouth is.  For example, LWN.net seems
> > deserving but I haven't thrown any money their way.  But I do value
> > the Globe and Mail and do subscribe.
>
> I do the same with the Toronto Star.  However, there are too many news
> sources for most people to afford to pay for.  Perhaps what's needed is
> some sort of system, where a pool account is used.  The subscribers
> would pay into that account and get access to sources that can receive
> revenue from that pool.
>
> I used to subscribe to the Financial Post when it was a business paper.
Now not so much! I don't think there really is a financial paper anymore!


> However, what's needed are readers who use critical thinking, rather
> than accept any nonsense they come across.
>

Hmmm - - - - I would love to meet such a group myself!
Critical thinking seems to be quite rare today!! Any suggestions?

Regards

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk]

| From: James Knott via talk 

| I have a Kobo, but stopped using it when I got a tablet.  I have
| different readers installed for epub, Kobo, Amazon and library books. 
| The tablet also works with PDFs.

Note for relevance: Kobos run Linux.  So do most tablets (iPads and
Windows tablets do not).

Tablets are better than ereaders for many things.  Where ereaders win:

- much much longer battery life

- much smaller and lighter (mine fit in my pockets)

- much less disruptive of sleep (according to many sources, but it may
  not be true)

I don't actually use tablets much any longer.  My phone has all the
functionality of my tablets except the large screen.  When I want the
large sceen out of my house, I take a laptop (which has many other
advantages and is only a little bit more awkward to drag around).

These thing are very personal.  Everyone in my family makes different
trade-offs.
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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[James Knott via talk]

On 02/02/2018 12:45 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
> My Kobos are not good for PDF.  At least not for those designed for
> letter-sized or A4 paper.  This is a real diappointment to me.

I have a Kobo, but stopped using it when I got a tablet.  I have
different readers installed for epub, Kobo, Amazon and library books. 
The tablet also works with PDFs.


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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[David Collier-Brown via talk]

On 02/02/18 12:45 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:

| From: David Collier-Brown via talk 

| Hmmn, I often read PDFs by sending to my Kobo, which has a superior screen for
| text (but not for images)

My Kobos are not good for PDF.  At least not for those designed for
letter-sized or A4 paper.  This is a real diappointment to me.

I have a touch (quite small) and an Aura One (larger).
For both, some but not all PDF are fine.  Reflowables are better if you 
use a large font size (I don't) as they reformat nicely to whatever size 
you like, rather than A4 or 8.5x11.


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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[David Collier-Brown via talk]

On 02/02/18 12:39 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:

What we need is more discerning readers.  Ones who will pay for good
content (and lack of bad content!).  Or otherwise reward.

I haven't put my money where my mouth is.  For example, LWN.net seems
deserving but I haven't thrown any money their way.  But I do value
the Globe and Mail and do subscribe.


I subscribe to LWN, and recommend it: have a look at the timed-out 
weekly issues and see if they meet your needs.


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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Stewart Russell via talk]

On Feb 2, 2018 13:45, "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk"  wrote:


I'd like a good PDF to epub converter.  But any converter is an
impediment.


PDF is marks on paper. Unfortunately, the tools that create PDF with all
the information needed to display reflowable content aren't universally
used. So no matter what you use as a converter, it can't always be
reliable. Too much implicit information has been lost in the conversion to
PDF to convert back to words.

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk]

| From: David Collier-Brown via talk 

| Hmmn, I often read PDFs by sending to my Kobo, which has a superior screen for
| text (but not for images)

My Kobos are not good for PDF.  At least not for those designed for
letter-sized or A4 paper.  This is a real diappointment to me.

My highest-resolution Kobo is an Aura, not an Aura HD (twice the
pixels).  But I don't think that the HD has enough resolution for this
problem.

| I wonder if there is a good random-website-to-epub converter? I'll need to try
| dotEPUB.

I'd like a good PDF to epub converter.  But any converter is an
impediment.

I've never looked at Pocket, but they want to do the website to tablet
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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk]

| From: Russell via talk 

| It's a somber fact of modern publishing that, as the cost of delivering 
| written content goes down, so does the monitary value of that content.

That is an interesting second-order effect.

For one thing, it's not that the unit cost has gone down.  It's that the 
cost of getting in the game has gone down.  Newspaper printing and 
distributing technologies deliver quite inexpensive copies if you are 
printing and distributing hundreds of thousands of copies regularly.  It's
hard to get in the game -- look what it cost Conrad Black to create the
Post newspapers.

With competition as it was in the newspaper business a decade or more
ago, there was an auction for good writers.  The quality of the
product went up.  But it was an unsustainable war and the collapse is
happening now.

The cost of putting up a web site is minor.  Lots of folks aspire to
be writers so will generate content for peanuts.  It's a race to the
bottom.  Eyeballs are in short supply.

What we need is more discerning readers.  Ones who will pay for good
content (and lack of bad content!).  Or otherwise reward.

I haven't put my money where my mouth is.  For example, LWN.net seems
deserving but I haven't thrown any money their way.  But I do value
the Globe and Mail and do subscribe.
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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Russell via talk]

On February 1, 2018 6:39:10 PM EST, John Moniz  wrote:
>
>
>
>On Feb 1, 2018 5:06 PM, Russell via talk  wrote:
>
>The first pressing of the Gutenberg bible, as the immutable word of
>Diety, had the highest lifetime value, others not so much.
>
>Diet books go back that far? ☺

Yup, the loaves and fishes diet for the multitudes is recorded in Ch. 14:13-21. 
This was later revised by Robert Atkins to only include fishes, but I think the 
jury is still out on that one. 

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Russell via talk]

On February 1, 2018 2:55:51 PM EST, Kevin Cozens via talk  
wrote:
>On 2018-02-01 07:31 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
>> Perhaps instead of letting us know what you, meaning all the
>individuals 
>> complaining in this thread, can't stand about what it was  - - -
>well let 
>> them know what you do want.
>> You never know - - - you just might get lucky!
>
>I doubt it. I prefer the magazine on paper. I spend enough time in
>front of 
>a computer as it is. The last thing I want to do is have to spend more
>time 
>in front of one so I can read a magazine.

It's a somber fact of modern  publishing that, as the cost of delivering 
written content goes down, so does the monitary value of that content. 

The first pressing of the Gutenberg bible, as the immutable word of Diety, had 
the highest lifetime value, others not so much. 

It's kind of hard to take in, that it was the value added industry; 
papermills, press-persons and paperboys etc. who's work it was that created the 
greater social value. In a commercial sense, it was the larger audiences which 
drove the costs of presenting writings down. This happened as while world 
literacy rates went up. 

Digital publishing seems to be at that same stage of renessance. 
Notwithstanding the temptation to dynamically revise, a la Winston Smith in 
1984. There are no hard copies to recall, just dynamically re-update the page. 

A book or magazine is static and unchanging, at least until the Ministry of 
Truth steps in.

So far in the short term it appears that the Linux Journal will be paying 
writers for content. That has to count for something.

http://m.linuxjournal.com/content/25k-linux-journalism-fund

For my personal pleasure in reading tho, I prefer paper. For one it's easier on 
the eyes. 

Also I have several dog eared reference books I would never trade for their 
digital versions. The simple fact is, that while flipping pages searching for 
one thing, I learn many other things.

Accidental learning, this is something almost completely eliminated by key word 
searches of digital documents. 

So yeah, I'd prefer paper journals. I still like stepping out to the library to 
read old copies of Popular Mechanics. 

This last little 0.2c bit is a little off subject but I'm fascinated with this 
tech and it's potential.

For the digital millennium, perhaps publishing is the appropriate use for 
blockchain tech. By this I mean data validation outside of the current 
cryptocurrency hyperbole. There is real value in subscribing to information 
validated by Delphi consensus as it is held in a blockchain. 

Right now the Canadian govt is trying out Catena Blockchains to validate 
complex datasets and track financing. 

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/government-of-canada-exploring-the-potential-of-blockchain-technology-670113383.html

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[James Knott via talk]

On 01/31/2018 04:36 PM, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
> I gave up on Linux Journal after they stopped publishing on paper.
> Like many subscribers of the day I tried to cancel my subscription and
> get my money back as I had no interest in reading a digital version of
> the magazine.

I found the content suffered when Shawn Powers took over as editor.  I
too let my sub drop when they stopped the paper edition.

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Giles Orr via talk]

On 1 February 2018 at 16:09, David Collier-Brown via talk 
wrote:

> On 01/02/18 02:55 PM, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
>
> On 2018-02-01 07:31 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
>
> Perhaps instead of letting us know what you, meaning all the individuals
> complaining in this thread, can't stand about what it was  - - - well let
> them know what you do want.
> You never know - - - you just might get lucky!
>
>
> I doubt it. I prefer the magazine on paper. I spend enough time in front
> of a computer as it is. The last thing I want to do is have to spend more
> time in front of one so I can read a magazine.
>
> Hmmn, I often read PDFs by sending to my Kobo, which has a superior screen
> for text (but not for images)
>
> I wonder if there is a good random-website-to-epub converter? I'll need to
> try dotEPUB.
>

I'm also very doubtful about technology oriented media outlets that don't
know how to manage SSL/TLS - especially when they expect me to pay them
money through their website:

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.linuxjournal.com

The short version: they commit several crimes, but the worst is not
supporting TLS 1.2 at all.  Since TLS 1.1 and 1.0 are so weak as to be
broken, I'm not going to trust their site.  (I found this out because I
cranked up the security on FF to refuse TLS below 1.2.)

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[David Collier-Brown via talk]

On 01/02/18 02:55 PM, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:

On 2018-02-01 07:31 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Perhaps instead of letting us know what you, meaning all the 
individuals complaining in this thread, can't stand about what it 
was  - - - well let them know what you do want.

You never know - - - you just might get lucky!


I doubt it. I prefer the magazine on paper. I spend enough time in 
front of a computer as it is. The last thing I want to do is have to 
spend more time in front of one so I can read a magazine.


Hmmn, I often read PDFs by sending to my Kobo, which has a superior 
screen for text (but not for images)


I wonder if there is a good random-website-to-epub converter? I'll need 
to try dotEPUB.


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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 2018-02-01 07:31 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Perhaps instead of letting us know what you, meaning all the individuals 
complaining in this thread, can't stand about what it was  - - - well let 
them know what you do want.

You never know - - - you just might get lucky!


I doubt it. I prefer the magazine on paper. I spend enough time in front of 
a computer as it is. The last thing I want to do is have to spend more time 
in front of one so I can read a magazine.


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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[o1bigtenor via talk]

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:46 AM, Stewart Russell via talk 
wrote:

>
> On Jan 31, 2018 18:01, "Tim Carroll via talk"  wrote:
>
> They are back.
> with new funding.
> linuxjournal2
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/
>
>
> I wish them good luck trying to refactor their way out of existing debt.
> Trying to claim they're brand-new, start-over but with a lead story about
> how the LJ crew are the same as in 1999 is not a good look.
>

Greetings

My reading of the various announcements suggests that the debt has been
somehow disposed of (not really clear) and that the crew has been given a
do over.
Perhaps instead of letting us know what you, meaning all the individuals
complaining in this thread, can't stand about what it was  - - - well let
them know what you do want.
You never know - - - you just might get lucky!

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Stewart Russell via talk]

On Jan 31, 2018 18:01, "Tim Carroll via talk"  wrote:

They are back.
with new funding.
linuxjournal2
http://www.linuxjournal.com/


I wish them good luck trying to refactor their way out of existing debt.
Trying to claim they're brand-new, start-over but with a lead story about
how the LJ crew are the same as in 1999 is not a good look.

 Stewart
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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[David Collier-Brown via talk]

On 31/01/18 05:01 PM, Tim Carroll via talk wrote:

They are back.
with new funding.
linuxjournal2
http://www.linuxjournal.com/


Supported by the folks behind the PIA VPN.

--dave

see also https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Tim Carroll via talk]

They are back.
with new funding.
linuxjournal2
http://www.linuxjournal.com/

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On 2018-01-31 16:36, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:

On 2017-12-05 07:59 PM, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
Looks like last month was their last month of even digital 
publication:


https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication


I just received an email stating they are trying to resurrect the
magazine. I wonder if they will respond to any emails sent to either
of the addresses listed in the email.

I gave up on Linux Journal after they stopped publishing on paper.
Like many subscribers of the day I tried to cancel my subscription and
get my money back as I had no interest in reading a digital version of
the magazine.

When they stopped publishing on paper they also lost their customer
service department. Many people, myself included, tried to contact
them to cancel their subscription only to receive no response.

I was able to put my subscription on hold for a while but the web page
where I could do that wasn't maintained and eventually it told me that
my start date had to be no later than a date that had already passed.
I could no longer put my subscription on hold.

I won't support the magazine, or their (claims of) trying to get the
magazine operating again.

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 2017-12-05 07:59 PM, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:

Looks like last month was their last month of even digital publication:

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication


I just received an email stating they are trying to resurrect the magazine. 
I wonder if they will respond to any emails sent to either of the addresses 
listed in the email.


I gave up on Linux Journal after they stopped publishing on paper. Like many 
subscribers of the day I tried to cancel my subscription and get my money 
back as I had no interest in reading a digital version of the magazine.


When they stopped publishing on paper they also lost their customer service 
department. Many people, myself included, tried to contact them to cancel 
their subscription only to receive no response.


I was able to put my subscription on hold for a while but the web page where 
I could do that wasn't maintained and eventually it told me that my start 
date had to be no later than a date that had already passed. I could no 
longer put my subscription on hold.


I won't support the magazine, or their (claims of) trying to get the 
magazine operating again.


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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Blaise Alleyne via talk]

On 06/12/17 06:50 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, James Knott via talk  > wrote:
> 
> On 12/05/2017 07:59 PM, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
> > Looks like last month was their last month of even digital publication:
> 
> I used to subscribe to it, but when Shawn Powers took over as editor,
> the content really suffered.  As a result, I stopped subscribing some
> time after they dropped the print version.
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Any ideas as to where to collect information similar to that provided by
> the
> magazine?
> (project ideas with examples, news, tips, etc)
> 
> I've looked and there doesn't really seem to be a live magazine focused on
> LInux anymore - - - they're all doa. Maybe someone out there has some ideas.
> 

Linux Voice?

https://www.linuxvoice.com/

Though it looks like that was discontinued a year ago and merged with
Linux Magazine:
http://www.linux-magazine.com/

I was a Linux Voice subscriber for a few years, and it was great. No
experience with Linux Magazine though.



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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 07:59:16PM -0500, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
> Looks like last month was their last month of even digital publication:
> 
> https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication
> 
> Jason Scott has saved everything he can on archive.org:
> 
> https://archive.org/details/linuxjournalmagazine
> 
> Looks like he could use some help creating tables of contents for all
> the issues, though:
> 
> So, next bit. I took the table of contents from a page on the site
> to generate the table of contents here:
> https://archive.org/details/Linux-Journal-2011-06 - so,
> unfortunately, this has to be done for each issue. Any brave soul
> want to do this task?
> 
> — @jscott : https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/938198975982850048
> 
> I'm sure it would be an amusing SMOP for someone on the list, and
> Jason's good people to work with.
> archive.org's Python interface is pretty powerful, too —
> https://internetarchive.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

That's unfortunate.

Well I decided to buy their digital archive download ($11.99 US).
Every issue from 1994 to 2017 for US$11.99 seemed worth it.

It appears to contain all the articles as html files.

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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Jim Ruxton via talk]

>
> Any ideas as to where to collect information similar to that provided by
the
> magazine?
> (project ideas with examples, news, tips, etc)
>
> I've looked and there doesn't really seem to be a live magazine focused
on
> LInux anymore - - - they're all doa. Maybe someone out there has some
ideas.
>
I really like Linux Format magazine. Pricey but chock full of stuff.
Availsble at a lot of news stands. https://www.linuxformat.com

Jim
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Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk]

Try LinuxQuestions.org ??

I'm not yet actively using this LQ resource (it's not a journal), but I do plan 
to use it (in addition to consulting the  GTALUG forum :), once I get to 
installing debian Linux on my build-it-myself PC.

The occasional emailed LQ e-newsletter I receive, does seem a bit moribund. 
Needs editorial refreshing. But the discussion forums online might be useful.

Steve

- Original Message - 
  From: o1bigtenor via talk 
  To: James Knott ; GTALUG Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP






  On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, James Knott via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:

On 12/05/2017 07:59 PM, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
> Looks like last month was their last month of even digital publication:

I used to subscribe to it, but when Shawn Powers took over as editor,
the content really suffered.  As a result, I stopped subscribing some
time after they dropped the print version.


  Greetings


  Any ideas as to where to collect information similar to that provided by the 

  magazine?

  (project ideas with examples, news, tips, etc)


  I've looked and there doesn't really seem to be a live magazine focused on 

  LInux anymore - - - they're all doa. Maybe someone out there has some ideas.


  TIA


  Dee 



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[GTALUG] Linux Journal, RIP

[Stewart C. Russell via talk]

Looks like last month was their last month of even digital publication:

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication

Jason Scott has saved everything he can on archive.org:

https://archive.org/details/linuxjournalmagazine

Looks like he could use some help creating tables of contents for all
the issues, though:

So, next bit. I took the table of contents from a page on the site
to generate the table of contents here:
https://archive.org/details/Linux-Journal-2011-06 - so,
unfortunately, this has to be done for each issue. Any brave soul
want to do this task?

— @jscott : https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/938198975982850048

I'm sure it would be an amusing SMOP for someone on the list, and
Jason's good people to work with.
archive.org's Python interface is pretty powerful, too —
https://internetarchive.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

cheers,
 Stewart


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