RE: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-13 Thread Alex yray via Talk
: Microsoft and accessibility Well, Dave. When you cite an example such as your previous employer you're opening a Pandora's box of an enormous gray zone. What the owner of that company did was to the extreme. And it got him exactly what he deserved. But there's no avoiding bugs and inaccessibility when

Re: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-13 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk
As others have said (sort of) you can complain about the lack of ability for each of us to flex our muscles. That would be fine if we had economic power. The reality is we don't, and we won't! Perhaps if we were larger in numbers, we might. But no one owes us anything, and the sooner each

RE: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-13 Thread Karyn Campbell via Talk
Alex, Good point. This is why we observe the Microsoft rule in this house, waiting at least six months before upgrading. That way, others have found the bugs and they have been fixed. You are never going to be able to release a 100% bug-free piece of software as developers cannot test

RE: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-13 Thread Ray Campbell via Talk
: Microsoft and accessibility Here, here Tom! I could have not have stated it any better! I will never understand the purpose of upgrading to the next version since it is probably loaded with bugs anyway. I stated once before that I would wait until the full release of windows 10 and reading of all

Re: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-13 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk
Which is why I'm thankful my folks raised me to believe no one owes me anything. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:37 AM To: tchild ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Microsoft

Re: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk
Google is your friend. Do a little research and you'll see a long list of problems with Windows 10 and Edge for the sighted folks as well. A recent update sent some systems into an eternal rebooting cycle. Sony is telling their laptop users not to update. And on and on it goes. Initial

RE: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread gary melconian via Talk
via Talk Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:43 PM To: Peter Duran peterduran2...@outlook.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: Microsoft and accessibility Thank you, Peter for such a great and well thought out response. I get so angry when I see the incredible

Re: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread Robin via Talk
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Re: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread via Talk
Hi tony, I too have noticed the steps backwards when it comes to accessibility. I do not like it, but at the same time, I do understand it. Things change, and we Blind do live in a World dominated by those with Sight. We are the minority, and while I never think of myself as a Second Class

Re: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk
clean-up is necessary and dutiful monitoring of future progress. Speaking of universal accessibility to Microsoft products: Its CEO Satya Nadella has taken Microsoft in a new direction, more like that of Apple. Windows 10 is intended to run on all sorts of devices: computers, tablets, smart

Re: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread via Talk
Hi tom, I am too familiar with Owners pushing Software out the door too soon, to get some badly needed cash flow to start coming into the cash box. for years, I tested these New versions to be released to the customer base, and so often I and the other guys would find bug after bug after bug,

RE: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread gary melconian via Talk
...@mediacombb.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: Microsoft and accessibility Google is your friend. Do a little research and you'll see a long list of problems with Windows 10 and Edge for the sighted folks as well. A recent update sent some systems

Re: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk
Well, Dave. When you cite an example such as your previous employer you're opening a Pandora's box of an enormous gray zone. What the owner of that company did was to the extreme. And it got him exactly what he deserved. But there's no avoiding bugs and inaccessibility when we're dealing with

Re: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk
...@mediacombb.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: Microsoft and accessibility Google is your friend. Do a little research and you'll see a long list of problems with Windows 10 and Edge for the sighted folks as well. A recent update sent some systems into an eternal

RE: Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread Peter Duran via Talk
. ACB, NFB, and AFB have done the work, and now only clean-up is necessary and dutiful monitoring of future progress. Speaking of universal accessibility to Microsoft products: Its CEO Satya Nadella has taken Microsoft in a new direction, more like that of Apple. Windows 10 is intended to run

Microsoft and accessibility

2015-08-12 Thread tchild via Talk
Hi, I’m a bit dismayed and also wondering about the “back steps” accessibility has seemed to take. Where are all the organizations, and people we as blind and dissabled people have put our “faith” in to make sure that we can at least access some of the stuff via networks. In this day and age