RE: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

[Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk]

Rod,

Thanks.  I have no problems changing the Key echo settings.  It is the behavior 
of the key echo that I am dealing with.  At times, and always in IE, when 
pressing any key, it will echo another key while the output is correct.  I can 
press any key several times and get a different key announcement each time.  
Even shortcut keys behave differently.  I cannot press 'E' to go to an edit 
box, or 'H' for headings and so on.  It has gotten so annoying that I stopped 
using Win-Eyes on my desktop.

David Ayers


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Of Rod Hutton via Talk
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Subject: RE: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

Hi David,

The setting of key echo can be changed through repeated presses of the hot key 
Insert-2, and 2 is that found above the letter w, well, at least above the 
letters area of your keyboard.
As you repeatedly press this hot key, you rotate through the various settings 
for key echo, and, the setting wraps around infinitely.
When Window-Eyes is first installed, it is set as follows:
Keyboard voice on with characters
Now, I assume that when you say you set it to words, you simply changed it to 
the next setting, namely:
Keyboard voice on with words
I would like to point out, though, that, if you wish to hear words articulated 
after typing them, and if you also wish the individual keystrokes echoed when 
you press them, then, and this would be the best experience on the desktop as 
well, you should set it to:
Keyboard voice on with characters and words
If you also want numbers echoed as you type, then the next setting would be 
good, as well, namely:
Keyboard voice on with characters, words and numbers
Once you set it the way you like it, return to the Window-Eyes control panel to 
save your setting.
Note also that the setting you choose may only be active for the current set 
file, and this depends on the setting of the Scope button within the Keyboard, 
Voice node.
If you navigate to this node, and tab to that button, on new installations of 
Window-Eyes, it will be set to Global, and this is true of many settings of 
Window-Eyes.
.It is best to leave it this way.
Anyway, I hope this helps a bit.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 1:19 PM
To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Ayers, David (ITCS); t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

I switch to echo words.  When doing a Google search in IE, it didn't speak 
anything after typing a word and pressing the space bar.  Although, in MS Word, 
it spoke everything.  So, I switched back to echo characters, and all keys 
echoed correctly.  Then going to the desktop, the keys started echoing 
different letters/numbers again.  Key echo works fine then, for no apparent 
reason, it starts this behavior.

I have un-installed and re-installed Window-Eyes and it still behaves this way. 
 NVDA does not have a problem.  I have also tried another keyboard(not 
wireless).

David Ayers

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From: Kevin Huber <huber.kev...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 11:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com; Ayers, David (ITCS) <aye...@co.tioga.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

Hi David:

What happens when you set Window-eyes to echo words instead of
characters.  Do you hear the correct words when your are typing?
Kevin Huber

On 5/3/18, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a strange issue happening with key echo.  When I press a key, and it
> doesn't matter what key, it echos a different letter or number.  For
> example, if I am on the desktop and press 'I' for Internet Explorer, it will
> echo maybe 9, then another press of 'I' may say S.  However, the cursor
> jumps to the right desktop icon.  So when pressing 'I', it will say a
> different letter/number, but will go to the first or next item starting with
> 'I'.  The same is happening with any edit boxes or when I try to compose an
> email.  It just doesn't echo the letter/number I am pressing.  This also
> messes with the shortcut keys in IE.  Pressing 'V' for visited links, or 'H'
> for heading, or 'E' for edit box doesn't go to the correct location.
>
> I have checked the keyboard layout and it was set to Zoom Text.  I changed
> it to default, but it still echos the wrong key stroke.  I am using WE 9.5.4
> and Windows 10.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David Ayers
> ___
> Any views or opinions p

RE: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi David,

The setting of key echo can be changed through repeated presses of the hot key 
Insert-2, and 2 is that found above the letter w, well, at least above the 
letters area of your keyboard.
As you repeatedly press this hot key, you rotate through the various settings 
for key echo, and, the setting wraps around infinitely.
When Window-Eyes is first installed, it is set as follows:
Keyboard voice on with characters
Now, I assume that when you say you set it to words, you simply changed it to 
the next setting, namely:
Keyboard voice on with words
I would like to point out, though, that, if you wish to hear words articulated 
after typing them, and if you also wish the individual keystrokes echoed when 
you press them, then, and this would be the best experience on the desktop as 
well, you should set it to:
Keyboard voice on with characters and words
If you also want numbers echoed as you type, then the next setting would be 
good, as well, namely:
Keyboard voice on with characters, words and numbers
Once you set it the way you like it, return to the Window-Eyes control panel to 
save your setting.
Note also that the setting you choose may only be active for the current set 
file, and this depends on the setting of the Scope button within the Keyboard, 
Voice node.
If you navigate to this node, and tab to that button, on new installations of 
Window-Eyes, it will be set to Global, and this is true of many settings of 
Window-Eyes.
.It is best to leave it this way.
Anyway, I hope this helps a bit.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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On Behalf Of Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 1:19 PM
To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Ayers, David (ITCS); t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

I switch to echo words.  When doing a Google search in IE, it didn't speak 
anything after typing a word and pressing the space bar.  Although, in MS Word, 
it spoke everything.  So, I switched back to echo characters, and all keys 
echoed correctly.  Then going to the desktop, the keys started echoing 
different letters/numbers again.  Key echo works fine then, for no apparent 
reason, it starts this behavior.

I have un-installed and re-installed Window-Eyes and it still behaves this way. 
 NVDA does not have a problem.  I have also tried another keyboard(not 
wireless).

David Ayers

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From: Kevin Huber <huber.kev...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 11:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com; Ayers, David (ITCS) <aye...@co.tioga.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

Hi David:

What happens when you set Window-eyes to echo words instead of
characters.  Do you hear the correct words when your are typing?
Kevin Huber

On 5/3/18, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a strange issue happening with key echo.  When I press a key, and it
> doesn't matter what key, it echos a different letter or number.  For
> example, if I am on the desktop and press 'I' for Internet Explorer, it will
> echo maybe 9, then another press of 'I' may say S.  However, the cursor
> jumps to the right desktop icon.  So when pressing 'I', it will say a
> different letter/number, but will go to the first or next item starting with
> 'I'.  The same is happening with any edit boxes or when I try to compose an
> email.  It just doesn't echo the letter/number I am pressing.  This also
> messes with the shortcut keys in IE.  Pressing 'V' for visited links, or 'H'
> for heading, or 'E' for edit box doesn't go to the correct location.
>
> I have checked the keyboard layout and it was set to Zoom Text.  I changed
> it to default, but it still echos the wrong key stroke.  I am using WE 9.5.4
> and Windows 10.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David Ayers
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RE: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

[Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk]

I switch to echo words.  When doing a Google search in IE, it didn't speak 
anything after typing a word and pressing the space bar.  Although, in MS Word, 
it spoke everything.  So, I switched back to echo characters, and all keys 
echoed correctly.  Then going to the desktop, the keys started echoing 
different letters/numbers again.  Key echo works fine then, for no apparent 
reason, it starts this behavior.

I have un-installed and re-installed Window-Eyes and it still behaves this way. 
 NVDA does not have a problem.  I have also tried another keyboard(not 
wireless).

David Ayers

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Huber <huber.kev...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 11:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com; Ayers, David (ITCS) <aye...@co.tioga.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

Hi David:

What happens when you set Window-eyes to echo words instead of
characters.  Do you hear the correct words when your are typing?
Kevin Huber

On 5/3/18, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a strange issue happening with key echo.  When I press a key, and it
> doesn't matter what key, it echos a different letter or number.  For
> example, if I am on the desktop and press 'I' for Internet Explorer, it will
> echo maybe 9, then another press of 'I' may say S.  However, the cursor
> jumps to the right desktop icon.  So when pressing 'I', it will say a
> different letter/number, but will go to the first or next item starting with
> 'I'.  The same is happening with any edit boxes or when I try to compose an
> email.  It just doesn't echo the letter/number I am pressing.  This also
> messes with the shortcut keys in IE.  Pressing 'V' for visited links, or 'H'
> for heading, or 'E' for edit box doesn't go to the correct location.
>
> I have checked the keyboard layout and it was set to Zoom Text.  I changed
> it to default, but it still echos the wrong key stroke.  I am using WE 9.5.4
> and Windows 10.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David Ayers
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Re: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi David:

What happens when you set Window-eyes to echo words instead of
characters.  Do you hear the correct words when your are typing?
Kevin Huber

On 5/3/18, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk  wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a strange issue happening with key echo.  When I press a key, and it
> doesn't matter what key, it echos a different letter or number.  For
> example, if I am on the desktop and press 'I' for Internet Explorer, it will
> echo maybe 9, then another press of 'I' may say S.  However, the cursor
> jumps to the right desktop icon.  So when pressing 'I', it will say a
> different letter/number, but will go to the first or next item starting with
> 'I'.  The same is happening with any edit boxes or when I try to compose an
> email.  It just doesn't echo the letter/number I am pressing.  This also
> messes with the shortcut keys in IE.  Pressing 'V' for visited links, or 'H'
> for heading, or 'E' for edit box doesn't go to the correct location.
>
> I have checked the keyboard layout and it was set to Zoom Text.  I changed
> it to default, but it still echos the wrong key stroke.  I am using WE 9.5.4
> and Windows 10.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David Ayers
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Re: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

[David via Talk]

Sure sounds like you are having fun. Smiles. Reminds me of some 
party-game, kind of

     Gues What You Will Hear Next Keystroke...


Really not sure what to suggest, but have you tried to turn off all apps 
under Window-Eyes? I mean, just to start somewhere.


My first idea would be, that maybe you have switched language settings 
in Windows itself, thereby having a different keyboard activated. But 
even so, you should be consistent in what you would hear every time you 
hit one specific key. From what I get you, this is not the case.


So my next guess on a solution, would be for you to run whatever you can 
get hold of, when comes to well-reputed anti-ware. Things like anti-spy, 
anti-malware, and anti-virus. There might be a hostage of your computer, 
causing this. Let's hope not.


Third thing to consider, would be the risk that something is running in 
the background. Does anyone but you use the computer? if so, probably 
they have something installed, like a game or something, which might 
play jokes on you. Or, do you know of any software that recently was 
installed, and which you could try to turn down for a moment, to see if 
it all fixes the issue.


The next thing I have in mind, should have been the obvious thing. Yet, 
I for one, just overlooked that very soulution myself, just the other 
day. Have you tried restarting your computer? I mean, really restarting 
it. Turn it off, by letting it shut itself completely down, and then 
turning it back on from scratch. I stress this, since all I did was to 
put mine to sleep, or hibernating it; even restarting from the start 
menu, or what is named a warm-boot. It did not fix my issue,hence I 
ended up reporting something on the list that really was not a problem 
at the end of the day. Not until I gave the whole computer a real 
cold-boot, it would get fixed.


Since you are on Win10, I am not familiar with the exact approach for a 
completely cold-boot. But others might chime in here. And after all, you 
might already have attempted such, which would result in me being out of 
ideas what could possibly be going on.


Of course, a reset to a point a week or two ago, might bring your system 
into order. Use the Win10 equivalent of System Restore, and roll your 
system a few days back. But you might loose what you have been doing the 
last few days. And it will all depend on you remembering approximately 
when things started to misbehave.


It's all mere guessing. Hope you get it fixed. BTW, does it happen in 
all programs, or only in certain windows? And does it happen even with 
NVDA or Narrator?


On 5/3/2018 9:29 PM, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a strange issue happening with key echo.  When I press a key, and it 
> doesn't matter what key, it echos a different letter or number.  For example, 
> if I am on the desktop and press 'I' for Internet Explorer, it will echo 
> maybe 9, then another press of 'I' may say S.  However, the cursor jumps to 
> the right desktop icon.  So when pressing 'I', it will say a different 
> letter/number, but will go to the first or next item starting with 'I'.  The 
> same is happening with any edit boxes or when I try to compose an email.  It 
> just doesn't echo the letter/number I am pressing.  This also messes with the 
> shortcut keys in IE.  Pressing 'V' for visited links, or 'H' for heading, or 
> 'E' for edit box doesn't go to the correct location.
>
> I have checked the keyboard layout and it was set to Zoom Text.  I changed it 
> to default, but it still echos the wrong key stroke.  I am using WE 9.5.4 and 
> Windows 10.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David Ayers
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Keys Echoing Incorrectly

[Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk]

All,

I have a strange issue happening with key echo.  When I press a key, and it 
doesn't matter what key, it echos a different letter or number.  For example, 
if I am on the desktop and press 'I' for Internet Explorer, it will echo maybe 
9, then another press of 'I' may say S.  However, the cursor jumps to the right 
desktop icon.  So when pressing 'I', it will say a different letter/number, but 
will go to the first or next item starting with 'I'.  The same is happening 
with any edit boxes or when I try to compose an email.  It just doesn't echo 
the letter/number I am pressing.  This also messes with the shortcut keys in 
IE.  Pressing 'V' for visited links, or 'H' for heading, or 'E' for edit box 
doesn't go to the correct location.

I have checked the keyboard layout and it was set to Zoom Text.  I changed it 
to default, but it still echos the wrong key stroke.  I am using WE 9.5.4 and 
Windows 10.

Any suggestions?

David Ayers
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