RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-24 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk 
It sure is a shame. Unfortunately, Due to VFO having the entire market, no 
player can push them forward anymore in any large scale deal.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:40 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

I understand that, I really do. And I am not saying it is not a good idea, it 
is just a shame to see such a wonderful product, be tossed aside.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:45 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Just because window eyes isn't being developed doesn't mean that there are 
> not lots and lots of people who will still be using it, and might need to ask 
> questions.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:58 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!
> 
> Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by 
> Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?
> 
> It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10, or 
> VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful feedback.
> 
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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-24 Thread Darrell Bowles via Talk 
I understand that, I really do. And I am not saying it is not a good idea, it 
is just a shame to see such a wonderful product, be tossed aside.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:45 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just because window eyes isn't being developed doesn't mean that there are 
> not lots and lots of people who will still be using it, and might need to ask 
> questions.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:58 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!
> 
> Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by 
> Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?
> 
> It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10, or 
> VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful feedback.
> 
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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-24 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
Just because window eyes isn't being developed doesn't mean that there are 
not lots and lots of people who will still be using it, and might need to 
ask questions.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by 
Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?


It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10, 
or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful 
feedback.


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RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-24 Thread Darrell Bowles via Talk 
I am learning NVDA, and Microsoft's Narrator.  Narrator has helped me out in 
some crazy situations. 


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:31 AM
To: 'Iaen Cordell' <i...@optusnet.com.au>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

The subscription information is
windoweyesusers+subscr...@groups.io

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Iaen Cordell via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:14 AM
To: 'Loy'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Sky Mundell'
Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

I also will stick with window-eyes if  nothing else the remote desktop support 
will cost me $200.00 for each machine, a feature that comes free with 
window-eyes.
Cheers and thanks for the new group.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell <s...@shaw.ca>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

I agree, I'll use WE as long as I can , I got the free upgrade to JAWS, but I 
hate it.
  - Original Message -
  From: Sky Mundell via Talk
  To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:55 PM
  Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!


  I know what you mean. Not to menschen that it is too bloated packed with
  features no one wants

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:32 PM
  To: bj colt; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi, I also got the free bump to Jaws. But, I'm still using WE. When it
  is time for a new computer I am going to go with the mMac. Jaws just seems
  som much more cumbersom to use than WE, and I just don't like it.

  -Original Message-
  From: bj colt via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:36 PM
  To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi Peter,

  I and the majority of window-eyes users on and off this list will continue
  to use wondow-eyes, till it cannot be used any more.

  I switched over to jws and continue to use window-eyes simply because I find
  it a much superior program. Even though it is dead. Yet Confuscious say "
  How can window-eyes be dead if app have been updated"? Because it still
  lives.

  Again VFO could close this group instantly and without prior  warning.

  There are some fantastic p;eople on this list and I for one don't want to
  take the chance of being left out in the3 cold by VFO.

  Live long and prosper, John

  -Original Message-
  From: Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
  Doug.  Don't folks have anything better to do with their time?

  It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
  or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
  feedback.

  Peter Duran
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RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-24 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
The subscription information is
windoweyesusers+subscr...@groups.io

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Iaen Cordell via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:14 AM
To: 'Loy'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Sky Mundell'
Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

I also will stick with window-eyes if  nothing else the remote desktop
support will cost me $200.00 for each machine, a feature that comes free
with window-eyes.
Cheers and thanks for the new group.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell <s...@shaw.ca>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

I agree, I'll use WE as long as I can , I got the free upgrade to JAWS, but
I hate it.
  - Original Message -
  From: Sky Mundell via Talk
  To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:55 PM
  Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!


  I know what you mean. Not to menschen that it is too bloated packed with
  features no one wants

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:32 PM
  To: bj colt; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi, I also got the free bump to Jaws. But, I'm still using WE. When it
  is time for a new computer I am going to go with the mMac. Jaws just seems
  som much more cumbersom to use than WE, and I just don't like it.

  -Original Message-
  From: bj colt via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:36 PM
  To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi Peter,

  I and the majority of window-eyes users on and off this list will continue
  to use wondow-eyes, till it cannot be used any more.

  I switched over to jws and continue to use window-eyes simply because I
find
  it a much superior program. Even though it is dead. Yet Confuscious say "
  How can window-eyes be dead if app have been updated"? Because it still
  lives.

  Again VFO could close this group instantly and without prior  warning.

  There are some fantastic p;eople on this list and I for one don't want to
  take the chance of being left out in the3 cold by VFO.

  Live long and prosper, John

  -Original Message-
  From: Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
  Doug.  Don't folks have anything better to do with their time?

  It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
  or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
  feedback.

  Peter Duran
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RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-24 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
Your welcome if you haven't subscribed feel free to do so.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Iaen Cordell via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:14 AM
To: 'Loy'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Sky Mundell'
Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

I also will stick with window-eyes if  nothing else the remote desktop
support will cost me $200.00 for each machine, a feature that comes free
with window-eyes.
Cheers and thanks for the new group.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell <s...@shaw.ca>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

I agree, I'll use WE as long as I can , I got the free upgrade to JAWS, but
I hate it.
  - Original Message -
  From: Sky Mundell via Talk
  To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:55 PM
  Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!


  I know what you mean. Not to menschen that it is too bloated packed with
  features no one wants

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:32 PM
  To: bj colt; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi, I also got the free bump to Jaws. But, I'm still using WE. When it
  is time for a new computer I am going to go with the mMac. Jaws just seems
  som much more cumbersom to use than WE, and I just don't like it.

  -Original Message-
  From: bj colt via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:36 PM
  To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi Peter,

  I and the majority of window-eyes users on and off this list will continue
  to use wondow-eyes, till it cannot be used any more.

  I switched over to jws and continue to use window-eyes simply because I
find
  it a much superior program. Even though it is dead. Yet Confuscious say "
  How can window-eyes be dead if app have been updated"? Because it still
  lives.

  Again VFO could close this group instantly and without prior  warning.

  There are some fantastic p;eople on this list and I for one don't want to
  take the chance of being left out in the3 cold by VFO.

  Live long and prosper, John

  -Original Message-
  From: Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
  Doug.  Don't folks have anything better to do with their time?

  It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
  or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
  feedback.

  Peter Duran
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RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-24 Thread Iaen Cordell via Talk 
I also will stick with window-eyes if  nothing else the remote desktop
support will cost me $200.00 for each machine, a feature that comes free
with window-eyes.
Cheers and thanks for the new group.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell <s...@shaw.ca>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

I agree, I'll use WE as long as I can , I got the free upgrade to JAWS, but
I hate it.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sky Mundell via Talk 
  To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:55 PM
  Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!


  I know what you mean. Not to menschen that it is too bloated packed with
  features no one wants

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:32 PM
  To: bj colt; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi, I also got the free bump to Jaws. But, I'm still using WE. When it
  is time for a new computer I am going to go with the mMac. Jaws just seems
  som much more cumbersom to use than WE, and I just don't like it.

  -Original Message-
  From: bj colt via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:36 PM
  To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi Peter,

  I and the majority of window-eyes users on and off this list will continue
  to use wondow-eyes, till it cannot be used any more.

  I switched over to jws and continue to use window-eyes simply because I
find
  it a much superior program. Even though it is dead. Yet Confuscious say "
  How can window-eyes be dead if app have been updated"? Because it still
  lives.

  Again VFO could close this group instantly and without prior  warning.

  There are some fantastic p;eople on this list and I for one don't want to
  take the chance of being left out in the3 cold by VFO.

  Live long and prosper, John

  -Original Message-
  From: Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
  Doug.  Don't folks have anything better to do with their time?

  It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
  or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
  feedback.

  Peter Duran
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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-23 Thread Loy via Talk 
I agree, I'll use WE as long as I can , I got the free upgrade to JAWS, but I 
hate it.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sky Mundell via Talk 
  To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:55 PM
  Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!


  I know what you mean. Not to menschen that it is too bloated packed with
  features no one wants

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:32 PM
  To: bj colt; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi, I also got the free bump to Jaws. But, I'm still using WE. When it
  is time for a new computer I am going to go with the mMac. Jaws just seems
  som much more cumbersom to use than WE, and I just don't like it.

  -Original Message-
  From: bj colt via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:36 PM
  To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Hi Peter,

  I and the majority of window-eyes users on and off this list will continue
  to use wondow-eyes, till it cannot be used any more.

  I switched over to jws and continue to use window-eyes simply because I find
  it a much superior program. Even though it is dead. Yet Confuscious say "
  How can window-eyes be dead if app have been updated"? Because it still
  lives.

  Again VFO could close this group instantly and without prior  warning.

  There are some fantastic p;eople on this list and I for one don't want to
  take the chance of being left out in the3 cold by VFO.

  Live long and prosper, John

  -Original Message-
  From: Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

  Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
  Doug.  Don't folks have anything better to do with their time?

  It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
  or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
  feedback.

  Peter Duran
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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-23 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

Tony,
Just a friendly warning. I would do a lot of long and hard research on 
Macs and VoiceOver before coughing up the inflated price to buy your way 
into a different set of limitations. It's very dependent on what you do 
and whether you can take the Apple way or no way approach to using a 
computer.
I have an iPhone and an iPad. And while I know things are a bit 
different on a real computer with VoiceOver, it still has too many 
limitations and long standing bugs that makes it a no-go deal for me.

Good luck,
Tom


On 7/23/2017 4:32 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I also got the free bump to Jaws. But, I'm still using WE. When 
it is time for a new computer I am going to go with the mMac. Jaws just 
seems som much more cumbersom to use than WE, and I just don't like it.


-Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Hi Peter,

I and the majority of window-eyes users on and off this list will continue
to use wondow-eyes, till it cannot be used any more.

I switched over to jws and continue to use window-eyes simply because I 
find

it a much superior program. Even though it is dead. Yet Confuscious say "
How can window-eyes be dead if app have been updated"? Because it still
lives.

Again VFO could close this group instantly and without prior  warning.

There are some fantastic p;eople on this list and I for one don't want to
take the chance of being left out in the3 cold by VFO.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?

It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
feedback.

Peter Duran
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RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-23 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
Exactly not

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

On 7/23/2017 12:58 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by 
> Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?
> 
Then I guess everyone using Office 2007, 2010, WinAmp, and all the other 
programs for which development has stopped should just buy the latest and 
greatest instead of using programs that work fine.
Tom
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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-23 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

On 7/23/2017 12:58 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by Doug. 
 Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?

Then I guess everyone using Office 2007, 2010, WinAmp, and all the other 
programs for which development has stopped should just buy the latest 
and greatest instead of using programs that work fine.

Tom
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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-23 Thread Tony C via Talk 
   Hi, I also got the free bump to Jaws. But, I'm still using WE. When it 
is time for a new computer I am going to go with the mMac. Jaws just seems 
som much more cumbersom to use than WE, and I just don't like it.


-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Hi Peter,

I and the majority of window-eyes users on and off this list will continue
to use wondow-eyes, till it cannot be used any more.

I switched over to jws and continue to use window-eyes simply because I find
it a much superior program. Even though it is dead. Yet Confuscious say "
How can window-eyes be dead if app have been updated"? Because it still
lives.

Again VFO could close this group instantly and without prior  warning.

There are some fantastic p;eople on this list and I for one don't want to
take the chance of being left out in the3 cold by VFO.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?

It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
feedback.

Peter Duran
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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-23 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
I love "nvad."  Sorry, couldn't resist.

On 7/23/2017 12:58 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by 
> Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?
> 
> It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10, or 
> VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful feedback.
> 
> Peter Duran
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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-23 Thread Jo Taliaferro via Talk 
My understanding is that joining any list is a voluntary. People who do not 
want to join the new window guys group or not being forced to do so!

Jo Taliaferro 

On Jul 23, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk  
wrote:

Hi Peter. It has indeed stopped being developed.  There are hundreds of
people in my area who haven't heard of Window-Eyes and they haven't been
given the opertunity to try it so those people have missed out on a great
screen reading program.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
Doug.  Don't folks have anything better to do with their time?

It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
feedback.

Peter Duran
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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-23 Thread bj colt via Talk 

Hi Peter,

I and the majority of window-eyes users on and off this list will continue 
to use wondow-eyes, till it cannot be used any more.


I switched over to jws and continue to use window-eyes simply because I find 
it a much superior program. Even though it is dead. Yet Confuscious say " 
How can window-eyes be dead if app have been updated"? Because it still 
lives.


Again VFO could close this group instantly and without prior  warning.

There are some fantastic p;eople on this list and I for one don't want to 
take the chance of being left out in the3 cold by VFO.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by 
Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?


It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10, 
or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful 
feedback.


Peter Duran
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RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

2017-07-23 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk 
Hi Peter. It has indeed stopped being developed.  There are hundreds of
people in my area who haven't heard of Window-Eyes and they haven't been
given the opertunity to try it so those people have missed out on a great
screen reading program.
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Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
Doug.  Don't folks have anything better to do with their time?

It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
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Peter Duran
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