Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[john pitts via Talk]

   i totally agree with you, enough is enough. this list is for helping 
people if they are having problems with window eyes not for speculation as 
to what or what may not happen with it, all the best, john.


-Original Message- 
From: Diana Kube via Talk

Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 12:25 PM
To: 'Stephen Clark' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

This is getting really old and quite boring. All that is happening here is
rampant speculation and scare mongering by a few people who either work for
JAWS or have so little to do with their lives, they find this amusing. It
looks like a full on campaign to undermine Window -Eyes with nothing in the
way of evidence to support the conjectures. And FYI, developers age and
retire. People move on to other jobs, get promoted and sometimes leave the
industry altogether. It doesn't mean they can't be replaced by equally
talented individuals.

If you want to talk about rationality, don't make assertions unless you have
proof to back it up. Sorry but comments like some unknown person said so in
a forum or where particular links may or may not lead isn't evidence. Now if
you have a press release or company statement, I'll be happy to listen
further.

Finally, it is quite telling that these rumours all come from the same few
people. What does this suggest?



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Saturday, 13 May 2017 3:46 AM
To: Peter Duran via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

Not only that, but go to the AI Squared web site and follow the links.
That should also tell you something. Here's a little

the majority of them link to the Freedom Scientific site.


On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the
folks at GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry

on?


Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

  If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and
there has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational
to presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers,
with one a lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE
lost the screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over
time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com
] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.co
m] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already
say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a
fanticy instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for
Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around
also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last
week will

cover

everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks
without any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Diana Kube via Talk]

This is getting really old and quite boring. All that is happening here is
rampant speculation and scare mongering by a few people who either work for
JAWS or have so little to do with their lives, they find this amusing. It
looks like a full on campaign to undermine Window -Eyes with nothing in the
way of evidence to support the conjectures. And FYI, developers age and
retire. People move on to other jobs, get promoted and sometimes leave the
industry altogether. It doesn't mean they can't be replaced by equally
talented individuals.

If you want to talk about rationality, don't make assertions unless you have
proof to back it up. Sorry but comments like some unknown person said so in
a forum or where particular links may or may not lead isn't evidence. Now if
you have a press release or company statement, I'll be happy to listen
further.

Finally, it is quite telling that these rumours all come from the same few
people. What does this suggest? 



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Saturday, 13 May 2017 3:46 AM
To: Peter Duran via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

Not only that, but go to the AI Squared web site and follow the links. 
That should also tell you something. Here's a little

the majority of them link to the Freedom Scientific site.


On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
> folks at GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry
on?
>
> Peter Duran
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>
>   If you're trying to get people to stop using 
> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
> there has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>
>
>
> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational 
>> to presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, 
>> with one a lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE 
>> lost the screen-reader wars.
>>
>> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over 
>> time
> so
>> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>>
>> Peter Duran
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Can one be created?
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.co
>> m] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
>> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
>> To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  
>> say
> that
>> JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>>
>> It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a 
>> fanticy instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for 
>> Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?
>>
>> There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and 
>> VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.
>>
>> I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around 
>> also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last 
>> week will
> co

Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

Not only that, but go to the AI Squared web site and follow the links. 
That should also tell you something. Here's a little


the majority of them link to the Freedom Scientific site.


On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the folks at
GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

  If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will

cover

everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Russ,

Now, there's a bit of something we can sink our collective teeth into.
At least we have a time-line we can work with.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:07 AM
To: Chris Skarstad <rascal0...@verizon.net>; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

I did see the following on another list:

From:  Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com>
I saw the WE thing over the weekend on a quick posting at some technology 
expo in Germany. If I recall and as others have mentioned it's tied into 
stand alone Office no longer being
supported by MS which if I remember, is going to end in 2020. Bummer for 
WindowEyes folks who have invested the time to learn the application and 
money, but you know it was going to happen as soon as VFO acquired it. Doom 
and gloom aside, You're still talking nearly three years out which for 
technology is a lifetime. SO it's not an immediate concern I guess.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 3:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
> presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
> lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
> screen-reader wars.
>
> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time 
> so
> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>
> Peter Duran
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Can one be created?
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
> To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say 
> that
> JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
>
> It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
> instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
> continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?
>
> There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
> VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.
>
> I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
> believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will 
> cover
>
> everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
> any health care.
>
> Peter Duran
>
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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Window Eyes may bnot be dead, just no future development!

-Original Message- 
From: Ivan Cribb via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

Dear Sky,
Talk about W E being dead is just empty chatter for the time being.
Ivan

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+icribb=iinet.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 2:02 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

Hi Chris.  Its Sky here.  I will tell you guys that, even before the office
version of Window-Eyes came out, their were even lies told by venders about
it.  For example, some of the venders would say Window-Eyes was going bust,
or that it isn't good, etc, etc, etc, and those factors has never helped
Window-Eyes flourish at all.Even the blind institutions, like CNIB, etc,
would tell lies about Window-Eyes too.   I remember a list member telling me
he had a blazing argument on the talkx email list with a vender and the
vender told him their was no favouritism regarding JAWS and other screen
readers. -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 8:35 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may
be legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before
the date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to
come on here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell
anyone.  They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to
wait and see what that announcement says, how they plan to take their
next action and what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my
system, which it clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an
official announcement that it is so in my book, that means it's still
alive even if it might be in the short term.  We shall wait and see. The
announcement might not even happen for another year. None of us knows.
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make
an  announcement.

Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.






On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO
would step in and say it ain't so?

On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the
folks at
GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

   If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and
there
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is
irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with
one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve
over time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]



On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already
say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator

Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I did see the following on another list:

From:  Cristóbal 
I saw the WE thing over the weekend on a quick posting at some technology 
expo in Germany. If I recall and as others have mentioned it's tied into 
stand alone Office no longer being
supported by MS which if I remember, is going to end in 2020. Bummer for 
WindowEyes folks who have invested the time to learn the application and 
money, but you know it was going to happen as soon as VFO acquired it. Doom 
and gloom aside, You're still talking nearly three years out which for 
technology is a lifetime. SO it's not an immediate concern I guess.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 3:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time 
so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say 
that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will 
cover


everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree/.  And even if they say as an example only in one year we will no
longer support WE I'm sure they will give a discount on Jaws maybe those
that knock Jaws should at least try it with an open mind.  If you used it
years ago programs improve.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 11:35 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may be
legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before the
date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to come on
here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell anyone.
They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to wait and see
what that announcement says, how they plan to take their next action and
what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my system, which it
clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an official announcement that
it is so in my book, that means it's still alive even if it might be in the
short term.  We shall wait and see. The announcement might not even happen
for another year. None of us knows.  
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make an
announcement.

Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.






On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
> would step in and say it ain't so?
>
> On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
>> discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
>> until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.
>>
>> On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
>>> folks at
>>> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
>>>
>>> Peter Duran
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>>>
>>>If you're trying to get people to stop using
>>> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
>>> there
>>> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
>>> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>>> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
>>>> irrational to
>>>> presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
>>>> one a
>>>> lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
>>>> screen-reader wars.
>>>>
>>>> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
>>>> over time
>>> so
>>>> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Duran
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
>>>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>>>
>>>> Can one be created?
>>>>
>>>> Vaughan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]

>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
>>>> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>>>
>>>> I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
>>>> To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>

RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Ivan Cribb via Talk]

Dear Sky,
Talk about W E being dead is just empty chatter for the time being.
Ivan

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+icribb=iinet.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 2:02 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

Hi Chris.  Its Sky here.  I will tell you guys that, even before the office
version of Window-Eyes came out, their were even lies told by venders about
it.  For example, some of the venders would say Window-Eyes was going bust,
or that it isn't good, etc, etc, etc, and those factors has never helped
Window-Eyes flourish at all.Even the blind institutions, like CNIB, etc,
would tell lies about Window-Eyes too.   I remember a list member telling me
he had a blazing argument on the talkx email list with a vender and the
vender told him their was no favouritism regarding JAWS and other screen
readers. -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 8:35 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may 
be legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before 
the date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to 
come on here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell 
anyone.  They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to 
wait and see what that announcement says, how they plan to take their 
next action and what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my 
system, which it clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an 
official announcement that it is so in my book, that means it's still 
alive even if it might be in the short term.  We shall wait and see. The 
announcement might not even happen for another year. None of us knows.  
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make 
an  announcement.

Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all 
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.






On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
> would step in and say it ain't so?
>
> On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
>> discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
>> until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.
>>
>> On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
>>> folks at
>>> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
>>>
>>> Peter Duran
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>>>
>>>If you're trying to get people to stop using
>>> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
>>> there
>>> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
>>> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>>> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
>>>> irrational to
>>>> presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
>>>> one a
>>>> lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
>>>> screen-reader wars.
>>>>
>>>> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
>>>> over time
>>> so
>>>> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Duran
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
>>>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>>>
>>>> Can one be created?
>>>>
>>>> Vaughan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>&

RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Chris.  Its Sky here.  I will tell you guys that, even before the office
version of Window-Eyes came out, their were even lies told by venders about
it.  For example, some of the venders would say Window-Eyes was going bust,
or that it isn't good, etc, etc, etc, and those factors has never helped
Window-Eyes flourish at all.Even the blind institutions, like CNIB, etc,
would tell lies about Window-Eyes too.   I remember a list member telling me
he had a blazing argument on the talkx email list with a vender and the
vender told him their was no favouritism regarding JAWS and other screen
readers. -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 8:35 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may 
be legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before 
the date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to 
come on here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell 
anyone.  They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to 
wait and see what that announcement says, how they plan to take their 
next action and what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my 
system, which it clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an 
official announcement that it is so in my book, that means it's still 
alive even if it might be in the short term.  We shall wait and see. The 
announcement might not even happen for another year. None of us knows.  
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make 
an  announcement.

Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all 
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.






On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
> would step in and say it ain't so?
>
> On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
>> discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
>> until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.
>>
>> On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
>>> folks at
>>> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
>>>
>>> Peter Duran
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>>>
>>>If you're trying to get people to stop using
>>> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
>>> there
>>> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
>>> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>>> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
>>>> irrational to
>>>> presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
>>>> one a
>>>> lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
>>>> screen-reader wars.
>>>>
>>>> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
>>>> over time
>>> so
>>>> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Duran
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
>>>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>>>
>>>> Can one be created?
>>>>
>>>> Vaughan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]

>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
>>>> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>

Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may 
be legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before 
the date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to 
come on here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell 
anyone.  They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to 
wait and see what that announcement says, how they plan to take their 
next action and what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my 
system, which it clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an 
official announcement that it is so in my book, that means it's still 
alive even if it might be in the short term.  We shall wait and see. The 
announcement might not even happen for another year. None of us knows.  
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make 
an  announcement.


Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all 
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.







On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
would step in and say it ain't so?


On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
folks at

GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

   If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
there

has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
one a

lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
over time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  
say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a 
fanticy

instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay 
around also

believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will

cover


everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks 
without

any health care.

Peter Duran

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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

No, it's not smart business. Besides, I thought there would be an 
announcement in June.   

On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
> would step in and say it ain't so?
> 
> On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
>> discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
>> until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.
>>
>> On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
>>> folks at
>>> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
>>>
>>> Peter Duran
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>>>
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>>>
>>>If you're trying to get people to stop using
>>> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
>>> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
>>> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
 Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
 presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
 one a
 lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
 screen-reader wars.

 Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over 
 time
>>> so
 we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

 Peter Duran

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On
 Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
 To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 Can one be created?

 Vaughan.



 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On
 Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
 To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

 -Original Message-
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
 To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say
>>> that
 JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
 Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


 It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a 
 fanticy
 instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
 continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

 There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
 VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

 I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around 
 also
 believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will
>>> cover

 everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks 
 without
 any health care.

 Peter Duran

 ___
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>>> author

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>>>  
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 List archives can 

Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Brenda via Talk]

So maybe listers should consider sending a copy of their messages on 
this list to the VFO customer service or tech support or Doug or anyone 
else in the organization and see if they react or respond?



On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
would step in and say it ain't so?


On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
folks at

GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

   If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
there

has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
one a

lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
over time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  
say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a 
fanticy

instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay 
around also

believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will

cover


everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks 
without

any health care.

Peter Duran

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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Don H via Talk]

Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
would step in and say it ain't so?


On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the folks at
GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

   If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will

cover


everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO 
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead 
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the folks at
> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
> 
> Peter Duran
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
> 
>   If you're trying to get people to stop using
> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
> people will still use it no matter what you say.
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
>> presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
>> lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
>> screen-reader wars.
>>
>> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time
> so
>> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>>
>> Peter Duran
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Can one be created?
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
>> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
>> To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say
> that
>> JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>>
>> It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
>> instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
>> continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?
>>
>> There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
>> VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.
>>
>> I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
>> believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will
> cover
>>
>> everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
>> any health care.
>>
>> Peter Duran
>>
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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Peter Duran via Talk]

Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the folks at
GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 If you're trying to get people to stop using 
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there 
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead. 
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
> presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
> lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
> screen-reader wars.
>
> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time
so
> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>
> Peter Duran
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Can one be created?
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
> To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say
that
> JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
>
> It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
> instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
> continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?
>
> There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
> VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.
>
> I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
> believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will
cover
>
> everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
> any health care.
>
> Peter Duran
>
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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I'm much happier with this subject line - smile!

Alison

 

 

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