Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Thanks for the info regarding supervisors in your other post; maybe I’ll call 
the Disability Answer Desk on Monday and see if they can give me an extension.
Thanks for the suggestion regarding the USB stick, although I think I’ll be 
still out of luck since most PCs don’t look to the USB ports for installation 
media unless they’ve been configured in the BIOS to do so; honestly, though, 
it’s worth a try.
Regarding your.Image for Windows problem, it’s a thorny one because of the lack 
of speech, and this is what makes the talking Windows installer so great.
Indeed, if you have your serial number, you could just reinstall Windows using 
it and then reinstall everything.
I know it’s a bit of work, but it is a solution.
Although I appreciate your confidence in my expertise, to be honest, I try to 
avoid setting up new hardware because of the problems we’re discussing.
As I mentioned to you a while back, this is where the virtual machine comes in 
handy since it’s simply a matter of installing it once, and, as long as you 
back it up wherever, you’ll have it forever. 

Best,

Rod

Sent from my iPod

> On Jan 13, 2018, at 8:21 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> For a long time I have used a program called image for windows which works 
> very well for making an image of a drive.  I use to boot from a dos disk and 
> restore back to the windows drive that way.  You can not of course run it 
> from within windows to restore the same system, which brings me to my sort of 
> problem.  I had to buy their latest version as I wanted to back up my seven 
> partition before I upgraded, just in case.
> 
> I have used the talking windows seven boot disk, but never had any luck 
> getting my  image for windows program to run there to restore an image, as it 
> has to be installed.  Hope all this is making sense.  I have not tried their 
> newest version yet.  They do give you a way to automatically create a 
> bootable cd to restore an image, which of course doesn't have any speech.  I 
> think their manual says it is a version of xp which runs their program.  What 
> I'm wanting to do is to somehow make their cd come up talking, or find some 
> way to run the image program from the talking windows seven boot cd.
> Just wondering if you've ever used this program.  it is similar to and the 
> closest thing I've found to ghost which I used long long ago.  If you are at 
> all interested in taking a look, I can send you the manual or whatever else 
> you might need.  You are much much better at this sort of thing than I am.
> 
> Thanks.  Good luck on your upgrade.  Later.
> 
> BTW, I read somewhere that after the deadline, supervisors could still give 
> permission to do an upgrade.
> 
> 
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
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> Wallace, ks.
> 
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RE: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I used their media creater and put it on a usb drive.  Don't know if 
that would help or not.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:


Hi Butch,

Sorry you had to go through all that crap.
Same thing happened to me the other day trying to upgrade a machine.
Now I'm stuck waiting for a gadget needed to connect a burner to my other 
machine since the only burner I had was the one on the machine I tried to 
upgrade.
Oops!
Therefore, I have no way to burn the Windows 10 media to a disk before the 16th.
Looks like that machine will have to remain at Windows 7 once I get my part and 
I can burn Bryan Smart's Talking Windows pre-installation disk which allows the 
installation of Windows 7.
I ain't gonna cry over this. (smile)
Of course, there is the possibility that Microsoft might offer another 
extension of the free upgrade.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 7:54 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a couple of 
my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of problems, long 
long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program work.  had to use their 
media creater and get full version and then did upgrade from that.  Also, in 
both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a conflict leaving it.  Had to do a 
uninstall and reinstall.  First machine I had we set to run at startup and it 
just put the machine in a loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, 
so no way to go back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not 
to run.
When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having fun yet?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.

On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Nick,

Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully and 
I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, after 
then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you require:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best,

Rod

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Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and
I'm given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the
file until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my
sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my
request cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other
way around it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost
after the deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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RE: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

For a long time I have used a program called image for windows which works 
very well for making an image of a drive.  I use to boot from a dos disk 
and restore back to the windows drive that way.  You can not of course run 
it from within windows to restore the same system, which brings me to my 
sort of problem.  I had to buy their latest version as I wanted to back up 
my seven partition before I upgraded, just in case.


I have used the talking windows seven boot disk, but never had any luck 
getting my  image for windows program to run there to restore an image, as 
it has to be installed.  Hope all this is making sense.  I have not tried 
their newest version yet.  They do give you a way to automatically create 
a bootable cd to restore an image, which of course doesn't have any 
speech.  I think their manual says it is a version of xp which runs their 
program.  What I'm wanting to do is to somehow make their cd come up 
talking, or find some way to run the image program from the talking 
windows seven boot cd.
Just wondering if you've ever used this program.  it is similar to and the 
closest thing I've found to ghost which I used long long ago.  If you are 
at all interested in taking a look, I can send you the manual or whatever 
else you might need.  You are much much better at this sort of thing than 
I am.


Thanks.  Good luck on your upgrade.  Later.

BTW, I read somewhere that after the deadline, supervisors could still 
give permission to do an upgrade.



73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[David via Talk]

Bryan Smart's Talking Windows pre-installation disk ?


Never heard of that one. Where would you get such a thing, please?


By the way, how would I get the Microsoft Media Creator, for burning a 
Win10 installation DVD, if anyone knows.


thanks,


On 1/12/2018 4:34 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Butch,
>
> Sorry you had to go through all that crap.
> Same thing happened to me the other day trying to upgrade a machine.
> Now I'm stuck waiting for a gadget needed to connect a burner to my other 
> machine since the only burner I had was the one on the machine I tried to 
> upgrade.
> Oops!
> Therefore, I have no way to burn the Windows 10 media to a disk before the 
> 16th.
> Looks like that machine will have to remain at Windows 7 once I get my part 
> and I can burn Bryan Smart's Talking Windows pre-installation disk which 
> allows the installation of Windows 7.
> I ain't gonna cry over this. (smile)
> Of course, there is the possibility that Microsoft might offer another 
> extension of the free upgrade.
>
> Best,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: January 11, 2018 7:54 PM
> To: Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>
> Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
>
> Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a couple 
> of my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of problems, 
> long long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program work.  had to use 
> their media creater and get full version and then did upgrade from that.  
> Also, in both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a conflict leaving it.  Had 
> to do a uninstall and reinstall.  First machine I had we set to run at 
> startup and it just put the machine in a loop rebooting, so had to blow that 
> completely away, so no way to go back to seven on that one.  On the second 
> machine, I set it not to run.
> When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having fun 
> yet?
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
>> know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
>> comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.
>>
>> On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Nick,
>>>
>>> Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully 
>>> and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, 
>>> and, after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 
>>> 10 you require:
>>>
>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
>>> Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
>>>
>>> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
>>> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and
>>> I'm given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the
>>> file until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my
>>> sighted
>>> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my
>>> request cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other
>>> way around it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost
>>> after the deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Thanks, I have Windows-8.1, and the latest WE.

On 1/11/2018 11:58 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
> you need to uninstall window eyes first if you have windows 7 because 
> the video drivers are not the same with windows 10.
> you also need window eyes version 9.2 or higher before it will run on 
> windows 10.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:53 PM
> To: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Cc: Butch Bussen
> Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
> 
> Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a
> couple of my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of
> problems, long long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program
> work.  had to use their media creater and get full version and then did
> upgrade from that.  Also, in both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a
> conflict leaving it.  Had to do a uninstall and reinstall.  First
> machine I had we set to run at startup and it just put the machine in a
> loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, so no way to go
> back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not to run.
> When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having
> fun yet?
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
>> know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
>> comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.
>>
>> On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Nick,
>>>
>>> Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page 
>>> carefully and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free 
>>> until Jan. 16, and, after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of 
>>> the version of Windows 10 you require:
>>>
>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
>>> Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
>>>
>>> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
>>> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
>>> given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
>>> until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
>>> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
>>> cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
>>> it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
>>> deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[net bat via Talk]

you need to uninstall window eyes first if you have windows 7 because the video 
drivers are not the same with windows 10.
you also need window eyes version 9.2 or higher before it will run on windows 
10.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:53 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a
couple of my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of
problems, long long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program
work.  had to use their media creater and get full version and then did
upgrade from that.  Also, in both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a
conflict leaving it.  Had to do a uninstall and reinstall.  First
machine I had we set to run at startup and it just put the machine in a
loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, so no way to go
back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not to run.
When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having
fun yet?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.

On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Nick,

Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully 
and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, 
after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you 
require:


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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RE: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Sorry you had to go through all that crap.
Same thing happened to me the other day trying to upgrade a machine.
Now I'm stuck waiting for a gadget needed to connect a burner to my other 
machine since the only burner I had was the one on the machine I tried to 
upgrade.
Oops!
Therefore, I have no way to burn the Windows 10 media to a disk before the 16th.
Looks like that machine will have to remain at Windows 7 once I get my part and 
I can burn Bryan Smart's Talking Windows pre-installation disk which allows the 
installation of Windows 7.
I ain't gonna cry over this. (smile)
Of course, there is the possibility that Microsoft might offer another 
extension of the free upgrade.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 7:54 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a couple of 
my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of problems, long 
long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program work.  had to use their 
media creater and get full version and then did upgrade from that.  Also, in 
both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a conflict leaving it.  Had to do a 
uninstall and reinstall.  First machine I had we set to run at startup and it 
just put the machine in a loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, 
so no way to go back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not 
to run. 
When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having fun yet?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

> Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you 
> know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get 
> comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.
>
> On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully 
>> and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, 
>> after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you 
>> require:
>>
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
>> Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
>>
>> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm 
>> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and 
>> I'm given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the 
>> file until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my 
>> sighted
>> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my 
>> request cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other 
>> way around it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost 
>> after the deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
>>
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a 
couple of my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of 
problems, long long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program 
work.  had to use their media creater and get full version and then did 
upgrade from that.  Also, in both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a 
conflict leaving it.  Had to do a uninstall and reinstall.  First 
machine I had we set to run at startup and it just put the machine in a 
loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, so no way to go 
back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not to run. 
When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having 
fun yet?

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.

On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Nick,

Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully and 
I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, after 
then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you require:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you 
know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get 
comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.

On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Nick,
> 
> Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully 
> and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, 
> after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you 
> require:
> 
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
> Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
> 
> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
> given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
> until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
> cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
> it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
> deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

Microsoft has stated that upgrades to Windows 10 are automatic and are free. 
That's the upside and the downside of Windows 10. (Downside is that you 
sometimes get upgrades at times that you don't expect). You do need to keep 
upgrading JAWS, if you use that, or should be donating to NVDA, which has 
quarterly upgrades. Or you may need to learn how to use Narrator, which has 
come a very long way in recent years.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:14 AM
To: cur...@calweb.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Am I to understand that upgrades from previous os, win7, for example
will now need to be purchased and Win10 will not cost anything extra for
updates?  Or, does this mean all Windows updates will be paid updates?
If the latter is true, this would mean we will now have to pay for
updates we don't want but are forced to install.  I am running Win10
version 17.09, but am not certain whether this is the most current
build.  Do we neeed to do anything to keep up-to-date, or are updates
automatically installed?  Thanks.

Carol


On 1/11/2018 3:50 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

I was told by a MS individual that they would allow after the deadline,
a supervisor would be consulted, and if the software detected
accessability software, that they'd allow it through. All on the down
low, of course.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:23:24 +
Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Am I to understand that upgrades from previous os, win7, for example 
will now need to be purchased and Win10 will not cost anything extra for 
updates?  Or, does this mean all Windows updates will be paid updates?  
If the latter is true, this would mean we will now have to pay for 
updates we don't want but are forced to install.  I am running Win10 
version 17.09, but am not certain whether this is the most current 
build.  Do we neeed to do anything to keep up-to-date, or are updates 
automatically installed?  Thanks.


Carol


On 1/11/2018 3:50 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

I was told by a MS individual that they would allow after the deadline,
a supervisor would be consulted, and if the software detected
accessability software, that they'd allow it through. All on the down
low, of course.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:23:24 +
Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:


This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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RE: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Nick,

Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully and 
I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, after 
then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you require:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm 
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm 
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file 
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted 
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request 
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around 
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the 
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I was told by a MS individual that they would allow after the deadline,
a supervisor would be consulted, and if the software detected
accessability software, that they'd allow it through. All on the down
low, of course.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:23:24 +
Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:

> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm 
> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm 
> given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file 
> until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted 
> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request 
> cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around 
> it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the 
> deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Nick
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Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm 
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm 
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file 
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted 
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request 
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around 
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the 
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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