Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: The more complex thing is that some jurisdictions make it really difficult for you to give away your rights so generously. Which is a splendid reason to use WTFPL, reproduced here in its entirety: DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 80n wrote: Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight. The thing that is simple about PD is what contributors want - they simply want to make the data available to anyone, forever, without

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Joseph Gentle
Sorry, I've been busy writing up research proposals and whatnot. I'm starting a phd next year (woohoo!). I don't like the standard creative commons PD license. Their CC-zero license is ok, but not finished. Here's the wikipedia license from earlier in the thread: I, the copyright holder of this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Joseph Gentle wrote: However, I'm a bit nervous about the ODC PD license abandoning the publisher's moral rights. That means I can legally come along and say that I drew all the maps myself; or I could draw offensive pictures out of your roads and say that was you. I don't mind if people

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I take back what I previously said to 80n about all PD advocates being on the same page ;-) We're very close, and we don't have to agree. Data published with free non-viral licenses can coexist peacefully. We're really

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Joseph Gentle wrote: I don't understand the use case for people passing off my work as their own. I don't either. But trying to force *anything* onto your users means that you cannot let go of the data - you're then automatically entering this whole license swamp because where you make

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Ian Sergeant
Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats not true. I don't think the US Government has waived their moral rights regarding the TIGER data. As I understand it, placing work in the public domain does not automatically waive your moral rights on the work. Moral rights are a very murky,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-20 Thread Mikel Maron
Anyway, it seems that the new data is substantially better than the old in some places. What I'd like to do is twofold: 1. regenerate .osm files for all the new TIGER data 2. Compare new .osm files to old TIGER data plus stuff edited in OSM Then, decide how if/when it is appropriate to

[OSM-talk] firefox upload utility

2008-10-20 Thread Jeffrey Martin
I just saw this upload utility for Firefox. It looks like something cool to add to the website. http://www.fireuploader.com/#fupHome ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-20 Thread Lambertus
Any idea about the differences between the Tiger data in the OSM db and this new set? By that I mean: is it just road network updates or is the data also better defined? The current tiger data in the db may look alright on a map, but routing wise it is a real mess. Dave Hansen wrote: Has

Re: [OSM-talk] Georeferencing images WAS ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-20 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
David Groom reviews at pacific-rim.net writes: From: andrew list at sylva.icuklive.co.uk I've some aerial photos that I need to find how to georeference, 4MB jpegs and 17 overlapping tiles, is there a program you can recommend? Andrew Heggie How about Quantum GIS with the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-20 Thread vegard
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:54:55AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: Has anyone looked at importing the TIGER 2007 data yet? I was going to start coding up the conversion utilities to get started. It appears that this shapefile format may have existing OSM converters out there. Anyone want to admit

Re: [OSM-talk] Asus eee and OpenStreetMap

2008-10-20 Thread elvin ibbotson
Valent Turkovic wrote: ... Asus eee 701 is cheap and great little and very portable laptop - just perfect for mapping! I hope you find this howto helpful. ... If you have bluetooth GPS dongle that you have laying around, or can borrow one from somebody, and like driving a bike or a car around

Re: [OSM-talk] Asus eee and OpenStreetMap

2008-10-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Mon, October 20, 2008 09:48, elvin ibbotson wrote: Agreed, the eee is great (almost as nice as the Acer Aspire One which I use) but who wants all that hassle with Linux configurations and lugging around even a tiny laptop (especially on your bike!) when you can just use your phone to log

Re: [OSM-talk] roundabout vs miniround about

2008-10-20 Thread Pieren
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Joe Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you have to add oneway=yes too highway tag with junction=roundabout is probably the single highway case where oneway is true by default. Pieren ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?

2008-10-20 Thread Valent Turkovic
Are there any applications (on linux preferably) that use OpenStreetMap maps and give standard GPS routing functions like commercial car GPS units? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?

2008-10-20 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, October 20, 2008 10:52, Valent Turkovic wrote: Are there any applications (on linux preferably) that use OpenStreetMap maps and give standard GPS routing functions like commercial car GPS units? Navit,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to reset JOSM password?

2008-10-20 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 19 Oct 2008, at 14:56, Simone Cortesi wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Moshe Sayag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After not using josm for a month or two I am no longer able to upload new data. The authentication fails and I can't figure why. Where can I reset the password? I found

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?

2008-10-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Mon, October 20, 2008 10:52, Valent Turkovic wrote: Are there any applications (on linux preferably) that use OpenStreetMap maps and give standard GPS routing functions like commercial car GPS units? Navit, GPSdrive, gosmore. You can also put OSM data into just any commercial

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap questions

2008-10-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Ryszard Mikke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should I ask them here or is there some other list/forum? There's no list or forum devoted to OpenCycleMap - but feel free to ask your questions here. Cheers, Andy ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, sergio sevillano wrote: the key:barrier has been approved and thus the highway=gate now belongs to barrier *barrier=gate * shall we run a script to do this? No, because this would break existing rendering. First

[OSM-talk] APIs down?

2008-10-20 Thread Milenko
All of my clients are currently failing to download data from any of the APIs. Are they really down, or do I have some other problem? Main API reports a 500 Internal Server Error, ROMA gives a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable, and XAPI gives 501 Internal Server Error. -Jeremy

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Raphael Studer
Hi, sergio sevillano wrote: the key:barrier has been approved and thus the highway=gate now belongs to barrier *barrier=gate * shall we run a script to do this? No, because this would break existing rendering. First make sure the new tag is supported by the majority of renderers -

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Raphael Studer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, sergio sevillano wrote: the key:barrier has been approved and thus the highway=gate now belongs to barrier *barrier=gate * shall we run a script to do this? No, because this would break existing rendering. First

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Ed Loach
Raphael suggested: Whats about a clean-up-day? At a given day, every year/quarter/month, all deprecating tags will be converted. With a list about which tags this will would be for the next clean-up-day. So there is a chance for doing this by hand in your region. I'm still not convinced

Re: [OSM-talk] APIs down?

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Milenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of my clients are currently failing to download data from any of the APIs. Are they really down, or do I have some other problem? Main API reports a 500 Internal Server Error, ROMA gives a 503 Service Temporarily

Re: [OSM-talk] APIs down?

2008-10-20 Thread Skywave
Do you mean with taking in to account borders data already deployed in Openstreetmap, that you will keep the existing ones based on VMAP?. That data is crap (i imported it a long time ago), at least in Southern-France and anywhere else i looked. So i think the Italian data will be better. Thomas

Re: [OSM-talk] APIs down?

2008-10-20 Thread Simone Cortesi
No, I mean: relation structure, information inside tag\value pair, not talking about accuracy of them. -S On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Skywave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you mean with taking in to account borders data already deployed in Openstreetmap, that you will keep the existing

Re: [OSM-talk] OsmXapi and semicolons

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Kai Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I was using OsmXapi today to try and get a set of bus_stops however there seem to be inconsistencies with the encoding of some of the semicolons. for example calling wget

Re: [OSM-talk] APIs down?

2008-10-20 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:28 PM, 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Milenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of my clients are currently failing to download data from any of the APIs. Are they really down, or do I have some other problem? Main API reports a 500

[OSM-talk] What happend to the tube line overlay map?

2008-10-20 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 About 18 months ago, Artem demonstrated a map of London with coloured tube lines in an overlay: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-May/014185.html The map mentioned in the post doesn't seem to be working any more:

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Matthias Julius
Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The real question to ask here is what the clean-up is meant to achieve? Especially when the new tag does not really interfere with the old tag, what does forcibly removing the old tag actually get you? Perhaps a cleaner data model, or a smaller planet

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/10/2008 18:27, Matthias Julius wrote: Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The real question to ask here is what the clean-up is meant to achieve? Especially when the new tag does not really interfere with the old tag, what does forcibly removing the old tag actually get you? Perhaps

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-20 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:43 AM, vegard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:54:55AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: Has anyone looked at importing the TIGER 2007 data yet? I was going to start coding up the conversion utilities to get started. It appears that this shapefile format

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Matthias Julius
David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I were a tool author (which I am, of course, but namefinder is not interested in gates; however the same principle applies to any deprecated tag), for a widely used tag I would feel I needed leave the old one in indefinitely for backward

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 09:21 +0200, Lambertus wrote: Any idea about the differences between the Tiger data in the OSM db and this new set? By that I mean: is it just road network updates or is the data also better defined? The current tiger data in the db may look alright on a map, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 09:43 +0200, vegard wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:54:55AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: Has anyone looked at importing the TIGER 2007 data yet? I was going to start coding up the conversion utilities to get started. It appears that this shapefile format may have

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matthias Julius wrote: Anyway, after a tag has been removed from Map Features Of course nobody would remove a tag from Map Features as long as it is still widely used! It seems that User:Sergionaranja was unclear about this and has accidentally removed highway=gate and others from Map

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-20 Thread vegard
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:27:27PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 09:43 +0200, vegard wrote: I see it like this: What could be very useful to have, is a mapping between tiger data (old set) and OSM data. It could be to late for this round, but an external_id:tiger =

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?

2008-10-20 Thread Alex S.
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On Mon, October 20, 2008 10:52, Valent Turkovic wrote: Are there any applications (on linux preferably) that use OpenStreetMap maps and give standard GPS routing functions like commercial car GPS units? Navit, GPSdrive, gosmore. You can also put OSM data into just

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: What does OSM Foundation think about the PD repository? Would it make sense to host both licences under the name OpenStreetMap or would it be confusing? How much OSMF wants to be part of the PD version? After all I think

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Jordan S Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On picking a PD dedication/licence: On 16 Oct 2008, at 20:08, Kari Pihkala wrote: I created a wiki page for the public domain map, have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Public_Domain_Map . There

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight. The thing that is simple about PD is what contributors want - they simply want to make the data available to anyone, forever, without restrictions of any kind, full stop. You will not find a single use case where one PD

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight. True. But its got to be simpler than viral share-alike. :] The Sunburned Surveyor On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:12 PM, 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Jordan S Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On picking a PD

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Matthias Julius wrote: Anyway, after a tag has been removed from Map Features Of course nobody would remove a tag from Map Features as long as it is still widely used! It seems that User:Sergionaranja was unclear

[OSM-talk] TIGER 2007, first OSM data

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Hansen
I'm trying to share early and often. :) Here's the first output from my new TIGER 2007 script. I used shp2osm.pl from SVN and added a perl port of a chunk of the ruby code from the original TIGER import. http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~daveh/tiger/2007/OR-Sherman.osm.bz2 This doesn't have any of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] TIGER 2007, first OSM data

2008-10-20 Thread Ian Dees
I created a first stab at the wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/TIGER_2007 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Matthias Julius
Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no authority in OSM that has the power to mark anything as deprecated. IMHO, if someone has the authority to put something on Map Features someone also has the authority to change or remove something or mark it as deprecated. I have modified

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matthias Julius wrote: IMHO, if someone has the authority to put something on Map Features someone also has the authority to change or remove something or mark it as deprecated. Map Features is a documentation of what is used, not of what someone thinks should be used. There is a rather

[OSM-talk] missing tiles at osmarender

2008-10-20 Thread maning sambale
There are some missing tiles at osmarender http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.6365lon=121.1zoom=14layers=0B00FTF Checking the data layer, that data is there. cheers, maning -- |-|--| | __.-._ |Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make

[OSM-talk-nl] Parkeerterrein die alleen toegankelijk is voor gehandicapten

2008-10-20 Thread Niels Leenheer
Hallo, Ik ben momenteel bezig met het aanpassen van de kaart van Drachten. Aan de hand van GPS traces ben ik bezig met het toevoegen van nieuwe wijken, aangepaste verkeer situaties, fietspaden en het toevoegen van parkeerplaatsen en andere kleine wegen. Ik ben een situatie tegengekomen welke

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Parkeerterrein die alleen toegankelijk is voor gehandicapten

2008-10-20 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Geert Schuring wrote: Ik zou er iets van access=handicapped van maken. Maar het beste is om een voorstel op de internationale wiki te doen. En zoals bij veel dingen, als je het consistent 'anders' doet, is het later ook wel consistent te wijzigen ;) Stefan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hardware platform

2008-10-20 Thread Stefan de Konink
Robin Harmsen wrote: Momenteel is de Fonera 2.0 officieel nog niet beschikbaar in nederland, maar als er intresse is om hier iets mee te doen, is het vast mogelijk een of meerdere fonera's te krijgen van FON. Zou FON er blij van worden als ze Fonera's maken en die niet als WiFi router

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Parkeerterrein die alleen toegankelijk is voor gehandicapten

2008-10-20 Thread Geert Schuring
Ik zou er iets van access=handicapped van maken. Maar het beste is om een voorstel op de internationale wiki te doen. Geert. - Original Message From: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list talk-nl@openstreetmap.org To: talk-nl@openstreetmap.org talk-nl@openstreetmap.org Subject:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hardware platform

2008-10-20 Thread Robin Harmsen
Het is dus zo dat FON zijn hele filosofie heeft omgegooid. Er was al even over gesproken op het IRC kannaal #fonosfera @ FreeNode door een andere gebruiker die er een auto systeem in zag. Hij had het meer over multimedia toepassingen, wat volgens mij met de huidige hardware lastig wordt

[OSM-talk-nl] Hardware platform

2008-10-20 Thread Robin Harmsen
Hallo, Sinds kort is FON met de Fonera 2.0 gekomen (momenteel in beta en alleen voor ontwikkelaars) De Fonera 2.0 is ontwikkeld als Linux wifi-router, echter heeft de Fonera ook een USB poort welke voor allerlei taken gebruikt kan worden. Het voordeel van dit platform is dat het open is en

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hardware platform

2008-10-20 Thread Stefan de Konink
Robin Harmsen wrote: Het is dus zo dat FON zijn hele filosofie heeft omgegooid. Dat wist ik niet :) Als er een goede MeSHing standaard komt en deze wordt ook toegepast in andere producten die in auto's kunnen worden ingebouwd, al dan niet door de fabrikant van de auto, kun je nog veel meer

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hardware platform

2008-10-20 Thread Robin Harmsen
Ik denk dat als we een klein voostel/idee opstellen er wel een paar gedoneerd kunnen krijgen om mee te spelen/ontwikkelen. Het ombouwen naar batterijen is al eens gedaan voor een oudere Fonera (zonder USB poort), maar dat moet best te doen zijn. Ik zal als ik morgen thuis ben eens kijken naar

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hardware platform

2008-10-20 Thread Robin Harmsen
Even een quote van het IRC kannaal van FON. (ik doe niet mee in het gesprek overigens) Blogic is de hoofd developer van FON, en volgens mij is kazwo ook geinteresseerd in GPS/OSM gebruik Ze hebben volgens mij duidelijk intresse in allerlei toepassingen met de Fonera 2. [19:06] kazwo how much

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hardware platform

2008-10-20 Thread Roeland Douma
Dit is zeker interessant! Aan het aantal MHz te zien moet het geen probleem zijn om te loggen met een externe logger. Enige probleem zou kunnen zijn de ruimte die de log filetjes in beslag nemen. Maar een beetje usbstick kost ook niks meer tegenwoordig. Iets anders wat erg interessant is is als

Re: [talk-au] How to extract street names from OSM data

2008-10-20 Thread David Groom
You could use OSMXapi http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmxap something like: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/[bbox=left, bottom,right,top]way[highway=*] David - Original Message - From: Paul Zagoridis To: Talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, October 19,

Re: [talk-au] How to extract street names from OSM data

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: You could use OSMXapi http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmxap something like: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/[bbox=lefthttp://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/%5Bbbox=left, bottom,right,top]way[highway=*]

[talk-au] Road numbers in Garmin

2008-10-20 Thread Diego Molla
[Some time ago I sent a similar email from a different email address and I think it never made it to the group] In a recent trip I was comparing Shonkymaps and OSM on my Garmin GPSr and I saw that Shonkymaps displays a floating icon with the road number for major roads. I thought this was cool,

Re: [talk-au] Edits in and around Mt Barker, SA

2008-10-20 Thread Stephen Hope
2008/10/21 Kim Hawtin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Are the rail and road under passes right? I have set them as tunnels, because it makes more sense than the freeway being a bridge, how ever what do other folks use? Without actually looking at what you've done - I've done both. If the underpass

Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradroute über einen Platz

2008-10-20 Thread Claudius Henrichs
Tordanik: Bernd Wurst schrieb: Entweder ein geeigneter Weg lässt sich algorithmisch finden oder nicht. Ich finde es ist möglich, also muss man keine Fake-Lösungen einbauen. Nebenbei: Hat das schon mal jemand algorithmisch gemacht? Ein paar Schwierigkeiten, die ich sehe, sind: Dafür gibt es

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-20 Thread Dominik Spies
2008/10/20 Simon Kokolakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dominik Spies schrieb: Wo fängt denn deine Fläche an? Genau da, wo die Straße aufhört, davon gehe ich jetzt aus. Alles andere lasse ich außen vor. Und da die Straße dort aufhört, wo sie anfängt (in der Breite, in unserem Datenmodel) muss auch die

Re: [Talk-de] Osmarender: Tiles gelöscht?

2008-10-20 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Rotbarsch schrieb: Hallo! Nach meinem Renderin-Request von gestern abend ist meine Umgebung von der Karte verschwunden: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=51.42250680423574lon=7.0544353171987035zoom=13layers=BF000F Leider scheine ich nicht das einzige Opfer zu sein. In Oberhausen

[Talk-de] Bitte sinnvoll zitieren (was: Flä chen auf die Straße ziehen?)

2008-10-20 Thread Birgit Nietsch
Dominik Spies schrieb: Hallo Leute, sehe ich gar nicht so. Hallo Leute! Was hier wer wie sieht könnte ich viel leichter verstehen, wenn ihr so freundlich wärt, aus dem Artikel, auf den ihr antwortet, die relevanten Teile zu zitieren, und eure Erwiderung unter die jeweiligen Sätze zu

Re: [Talk-de] Mit Helge und dem Bodensee-Peter Afrika mappen

2008-10-20 Thread Sven Geggus
Mario Salvini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: als was würde man eigenltich die Slums eintragen? landuse=residential + highway=track/footway Als alloments? Wohl kaum. Sven -- We don't know the OS that God uses, but the Vatican uses Linux (Sister Judith Zoebelein,

Re: [Talk-de] Beriechsmarkierungen in JOSM

2008-10-20 Thread GeoJ
André Reichelt schrieb: Mich stört es schon länger, dass immer diese gelben Kästen um geladene Bereiche erscheinen. Dabei finde ich die Kästen an sich überhaupt nicht schlimm, jedoch die Art, wie sie gezeichnet werden. Könnte man das nicht so lösen, das wirklich nur der äußerste Rand

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-20 Thread Birgit Nietsch
Tim Krüger schrieb: Mal ganz davon abgesehen das ich das Blitzen in der gerenderten Karte nicht schön finde, bin ich der Meinung das die Flächen auf die Straßen gezogen werden sollten (also auch auf die gleichen Nodes) um einen sauberen Datenbestand zu erhalten. So sieht es auch z.B. das

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-20 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Hallo Rainer, Rainer Knaepper schrieb: Verbauen wir uns dadurch nicht die Möglichkeit, irgendwann Straßen /doch/ als Fläche aufzunehmen? meiner Ansicht nach nicht, aber das kommt darauf an, wie gut zukünftige Editoren programmiert sind. In CAD- und GIS-Anwendungen verschneidest Du einfach die

[Talk-de] Straßen als Flächen

2008-10-20 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Hallo Leute, gibt es hier oder im Wiki schon erste Skizzierungen, wie man Straßen als Flächen mappen könnte? Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Straßen als Flächen

2008-10-20 Thread Marcus Wolschon
2008/10/20, Tobias Wendorff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo Leute, gibt es hier oder im Wiki schon erste Skizzierungen, wie man Straßen als Flächen mappen könnte? Bisher haben wir nur http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:width bzw http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:lanes ich sehe

Re: [Talk-de] Straßen als Flächen

2008-10-20 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Marcus Wolschon schrieb: ich sehe bisher nicht, daß mehr als das width-Tag nötig sind um eine Straße als Fläche zu erfassen. Nunja, neben der Straße sind dann noch so Informationen, wie Bürgersteige etc. Hat jemand Interesse an der Zentimeter-genauen Erfassung der Rundungen an Kreuzngen? Das

Re: [Talk-de] Mit Helge und dem Bodensee-Peter Afrika mappen

2008-10-20 Thread Mario Salvini
Tim 'avatar' Bartel schrieb: Hi, ich bin eben über dieses Blogposting gestolpert: http://www.bodenseepeter.de/2008/10/16/lets-map-africa/ ...und könnte mir vorstellen, dass der ein oder andere Interesse daran hat, Helge [1] und dem Bodensee-Peter zu helfen. [1]

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-20 Thread Tim Krüger
Ich finde man sollte die Flächen nicht mit den Straßen verbinden, denn das würde ja bedeuten dass die Flächen sich berühren. Dies tun sie aber nicht, da eine endlich breite Straße dazwischen ist. Wenn man es sauber machen wöllte, müsste man die Straße ebenfalls als Fläche zeichnen. Diese

Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-20 Thread Torsten Leistikow
Stefan Neufeind schrieb: Desweiteren stellt sich mir die Frage, wie wir denn Schranken einzeichnen die standardmäßig geöffnet (!) sind. Das sollte doch eigentlich erstmal keinen Unterschied machen. Fuer den Einzelnen ist es ja egal, ob er wie ueblich vor einer geschlossenen Schranke steht,

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM-mapstyle Transparenz

2008-10-20 Thread Michael Rathai
das ist seit Version 1011 so: (edit)@1011 [1011] 10/01/08 23:07:02 ce modified a lot of icons, mainly transparent backgrounds, but also changed pixels for improved readability. To achieve that, I copied some icons over from mappaint and added

[Talk-de] is_in validation

2008-10-20 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, hat sich jemand schonmal die muehe gemacht ein validator fuer is_in's auf den places zu bauen? Ich habe da in den letzten Tagen mal so einiges geradegezogen oder ueberhaupt mal eingetragen und muss sagen das mir nicht klar ist wie das sauber funktionieren soll. Ich denke der validator

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-20 Thread Rainer Knaepper
Moin Birgit, Tim Krüger schrieb: Mal ganz davon abgesehen das ich das Blitzen in der gerenderten Karte nicht schön finde, bin ich der Meinung das die Flächen auf die Straßen gezogen werden sollten (also auch auf die gleichen Nodes) um einen sauberen Datenbestand zu erhalten. So sieht es

Re: [Talk-de] link=yes

2008-10-20 Thread Garry
Dominik Spies schrieb: Hallo, irgenwann hat mir das mal jemand auf der Liste genannt, da es ja kein secondary_link gibt und ich den tatsächlich gebraucht hätte. Auch auf der Discussion-Seite der Map Features wird es erwähnt. Grundsätzlich wäre link aber auch bei jeglich Ein- und Ausfahrten

Re: [Talk-de] Mit Helge und dem Bodensee-Peter Afrika mappen

2008-10-20 Thread Holger Issle
Hi Mario, als was würde man eigenltich die Slums eintragen? Als alloments? Ein alotment ist ein Kleingarten im Verein. Also das ziemlich genaue Gegenteil eines Slums. -- Ciao, Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100, GRR#51) 90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm 95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm |

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-20 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Tim Krüger schrieb: Genauso wird es auch in vielen GIS Datenmodellen angewandt und hat sich in der Praxis bewährt. Außerden wird es schwierig eine 5m Breite Straße mit einem GPS Empfänger, mit 5m Genauigkeit, als Fläche zu erfassen. Analog dazu musst Du aber auch sagen, dass es schwierig wird,

[Talk-de] osmdiff reports NEU

2008-10-20 Thread GS
Hallo und guten Abend, nach erfolgreicher Migration meiner Kiste auf Linux gibt es nun wieder neue osmdiff Reports: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff_reports Neu dabei: Mashhad :-) und Göttingen Interessant auch Ouagadougou, wo es ordentlich weitergeht:

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-20 Thread Tim Krüger
Analog dazu musst Du aber auch sagen, dass es schwierig wird, immer genau die Mitte der 5 m breiten Straße zu erfassen :-) Aber du nimmst ja das Mittel an um die Mittellinie der Straße zu ziehen. Man könnst also sagen das eine ausgleichende Gerade gezogen wird. Nimmst du die Fläche, erwischt

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-20 Thread Thomas Drebert
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rainer Knaepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: 20.10.08 20:52:08 An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen? Lieber nicht. Aufeinanderliegende Strecken lassen sich mit den bestehenden Editoren nur schwer bearbeiten. Ist

Re: [Talk-de] Straßen als Flächen

2008-10-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2008/10/20 Tobias Wendorff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallo Leute, gibt es hier oder im Wiki schon erste Skizzierungen, wie man Straßen als Flächen mappen könnte? Grüße Tobias highway=xy, area=yes ist eigentlich am naheliegendsten. Am besten macht man das zusätzlich zum Linien-Graphen, weil der

Re: [Talk-de] is_in validation

2008-10-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 20. Oktober 2008 19:58 schrieb Florian Lohoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, hat sich jemand schonmal die muehe gemacht ein validator fuer is_in's auf den places zu bauen? Ich habe da in den letzten Tagen mal so einiges geradegezogen oder ueberhaupt mal eingetragen und muss sagen das mir nicht

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM-mapstyle Transparenz

2008-10-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2008/10/20 Michael Rathai [EMAIL PROTECTED] das ist seit Version 1011 so: (edit)@1011 [1011] 10/01/08 23:07:02 ce modified a lot of icons, mainly transparent backgrounds, but also changed pixels for improved readability. To achieve that, I copied

Re: [Talk-de] Straßen als Flächen

2008-10-20 Thread Josias
Marcus Wolschon schrieb: Hat jemand Interesse an der Zentimeter-genauen Erfassung der Rundungen an Kreuzngen? Das wäre das Einzige, was mir einfällt wo dieses Tag nicht ausreicht. es gibt zb Karten für Blinde bzw navigationsgreäte (mit Vibration oder so), dies brauchen (glaub ich) dezimeter

Re: [Talk-de] Nearby Users

2008-10-20 Thread FrauSuhrbier
John07 schrieb: Hallo, wir planen hier in Würzburg demnächst wieder ein Treffen. Um möglichst alle Nutzer hier im Umkreis zu erreichen, haben wir sie bis jetzt immer per Webinterface angeschrieben. Allerdings ist dies sehr mühsam geworden, da es hier im Umkreis mittlerweile ca. 30 Nutzer

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-20 Thread Garry
Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Tim Krüger schrieb: Genauso wird es auch in vielen GIS Datenmodellen angewandt und hat sich in der Praxis bewährt. Außerden wird es schwierig eine 5m Breite Straße mit einem GPS Empfänger, mit 5m Genauigkeit, als Fläche zu erfassen. Analog dazu musst Du

Re: [Talk-de] Straßen als Flächen

2008-10-20 Thread Garry
RalfGesellensetter schrieb: Am Montag 20 Oktober 2008 schrieb Marcus Wolschon: Hat jemand Interesse an der Zentimeter-genauen Erfassung der Rundungen an Kreuzngen? Das wäre das Einzige, was mir einfällt wo dieses Tag nicht ausreicht. Vielleicht überall da, wo es um Trassen geht,

Re: [Talk-de] Straßen als Flächen

2008-10-20 Thread Garry
Josias schrieb: Marcus Wolschon schrieb: Hat jemand Interesse an der Zentimeter-genauen Erfassung der Rundungen an Kreuzngen? Das wäre das Einzige, was mir einfällt wo dieses Tag nicht ausreicht. es gibt zb Karten für Blinde bzw navigationsgreäte (mit Vibration oder so), dies

Re: [Talk-it] domanda su amenity=place of worship

2008-10-20 Thread Edoardo Marascalchi
Carlo Stemberger wrote: Ho provato a dare un'occhiata alla situazione attuale, ma non è che ci abbia capito molto... Ad esempio a Milano c'è un edificio così taggato: amenity=place_of_worship -- ok denomination=Ashkenazi -- che significa? o è fuori standard o bisogna corregere il wiki, in

Re: [Talk-it] domanda su amenity=place of worship

2008-10-20 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Edoardo Marascalchi ha scritto: Carlo Stemberger wrote: Ho provato a dare un'occhiata alla situazione attuale, ma non è che ci abbia capito molto... Ad esempio a Milano c'è un edificio così taggato: amenity=place_of_worship -- ok denomination=Ashkenazi -- che significa? o è fuori standard

Re: [Talk-it] domanda su amenity=place of worship

2008-10-20 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Elena of Valhalla ha scritto: [...] e Cappella degli Scrovegni. name=Cappella degli Scrovegni alt_name:de=Arena-Kapelle si`, ma qui il nome ufficiale sembrerebbe essere Cappella di Santa Maria della Carità, e non e` un nome utile da far apparire sulle mappe Sono

Re: [Talk-it] domanda su amenity=place of worship

2008-10-20 Thread Edoardo Marascalchi
Carlo Stemberger wrote: Edoardo Marascalchi ha scritto: Sono Sinagoghe, luoghi di culto ebraici l'ebraismo si divide in 2 grosse correnti: Ashkenaziti e Sefarditi (europa dell'est e bacino del mediterraneo) Chiaro. Allora direi che il wiki è da integrare (in inglese). Ci pensi

Re: [Talk-it] domanda su amenity=place of worship

2008-10-20 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Luigi Toscano ha scritto: Alle lunedì 20 ottobre 2008, Carlo Stemberger ha scritto: Elena of Valhalla ha scritto: [...] e Cappella degli Scrovegni. name=Cappella degli Scrovegni alt_name:de=Arena-Kapelle si`, ma qui il nome ufficiale sembrerebbe

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