[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Publisher)

2008-12-18 Thread Manuel de la Torre
Sorry for my fist post. This is my first proposal and I am very new to this. I am proposing the tag:publisher. Intent: To mark the location of a publisher. Could be a magazine, newspaper, music, software, book, etc... The wiki page of the proposal is at:

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import

2008-12-18 Thread Tom Hughes
Sam Vekemans wrote: I wanted to float the idea (to the general talk list) about importing the full data base that is available, not as shapes/ways/lines, but as nodes which show what map features the node represents. So for example, importing a park (in a mapped area) we would just show

Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: DisablePotlatch finally)

2008-12-18 Thread maning sambale
In short: Mappers need not worry about changing mapping habits. Editing is the way it is (unlike the transition from API 0.4 to 0.5!), you're just encourage to explain your edit session via changeset comments This is what I usually do: 1. Download a manageable chunk via OSMXAPI. 2. Edit via

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P Or use the admin_level tag. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import

2008-12-18 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thanks :)Bonkers? ... perhaps :@) Actually, that would be the just the 1st step. meaning that; On those mapped areas where say - if the actual shapes were imported, you would see 'ghost lines'. .. this is not preferred. So, by just seeing the reference points, then these shapes can be drawn in

Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: DisablePotlatch finally)

2008-12-18 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 18 Dec 2008, at 08:56, maning sambale wrote: In short: Mappers need not worry about changing mapping habits. Editing is the way it is (unlike the transition from API 0.4 to 0.5!), you're just encourage to explain your edit session via changeset comments This is what I usually do: 1.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: Soundy overly complex compared to just using pdftotext and then parsing the resulting ASCII text, unless of course there's OCR involved which would rule out this approach. Doesn't preserve the layout, in particular the columns, well enough. The UK rail timetable PDF is

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import

2008-12-18 Thread Tom Hughes
Sam Vekemans wrote: Bonkers? ... perhaps :@) Well if I've understood correctly then what you're suggesting is that we add what amounts to presumably some tens of millions of nodes each of which would presumably have a large number of highly duplicative tags. If that is what you're saying

Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: DisablePotlatch finally)

2008-12-18 Thread D Tucny
2008/12/18 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk On 18 Dec 2008, at 08:56, maning sambale wrote: In short: Mappers need not worry about changing mapping habits. Editing is the way it is (unlike the transition from API 0.4 to 0.5!), you're just encourage to explain your edit

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Publisher)

2008-12-18 Thread Charlie Echo
Well, to be honnest, I don't see the point. We could scroll the activities' list of any Yellow Pages company and get hundreds of activities. All of them would deserve to be in OSM... But how many are useful? Only the ones related to health, food, sport, culture, education... As nobody will

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import

2008-12-18 Thread D Tucny
2008/12/18 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu So far, it looks like the majority of the country would be able to accept a full import of everything... except the roads. .. it's only 10 or so tiles that nothing would be imported (just nodes), and less than 100 where only roads would be omitted.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Publisher)

2008-12-18 Thread D Tucny
I can see why someone might want to record company offices/businesses in OSM... But... as I mentioned on the proposal talk page, I'm not convinced that a publisher is an amenity... publisher could be a value for a business/business_type/etc key which could then be used to record many other types

Re: [OSM-talk] Buildings and roads

2008-12-18 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Thu, December 18, 2008 07:27, maning sambale wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Nathan Mixter srmix...@hotmail.com wrote: Wow, Naga City is full of buildings. How did they get so many? Are those all building=yeses? Crazy. NAGA City GIS released their data in public domain. We are

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-18 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'll just point out that I got the trunk version working fine on Ubuntu without modifications, so people shouldn't be afraid to try it out. There were two dependencies (dang, I should have

[OSM-talk] OSM in top 100 websites

2008-12-18 Thread Steve Chilton
Yay. OSM appears in the 100 top sites for the year ahead list in UK's Guardian newspaper today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/18/internet-websites Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Educational Technology

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps based onOpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Hugh Barnes
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:31:46 -0800 Joe Hughes j...@headwayblog.com wrote: Hugh Barnes said: http://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/PublicFeeds Ewww, CSV serialisations requiring their own purpose-built validator … Like you say, we can build from it. Let's look through

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import

2008-12-18 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thanks Tom D, storage requirements, which is why I have concerns about creating tens of millions of nodes which have many duplicated tags or which will wind up never being used and will just be deleted again. If it's only 10 tiles of 12539, why bother with importing anything at all for

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 03:07:30AM +, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of relevance to this thread. /me suddenly gains an interest I'd already got an svn checkout but hadn't got as far as doing anything with it.

Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads

2008-12-18 Thread Steve Chilton
Equally roads don't usually run over buildings - which could be case if reversed. Basically auto-rendering of these two can not be correct for all cases/zooms. Needs intelligence to say nudge that building away from the road in this instance - later? Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning

Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables

2008-12-18 Thread Peter Miller
On 18 Dec 2008, at 10:49, Hugh Barnes wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:30:31 + OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Andy Street m...@andystreet.me.uk wrote: On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 19:59 +, OJ W wrote: How about making an iphone app where people can just

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import

2008-12-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Doesn't get my vote. If it's a feature already why would we want to have to recreate it manually. Also by just importing nodes how can we visually/easily tell what nodes relate to what feature, especially if features overlap or cross. I can understand the difficulty in adding new data into

Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads

2008-12-18 Thread Peter Miller
On 18 Dec 2008, at 10:52, Steve Chilton wrote: Equally roads don’t usually run over buildings – which could be case if reversed. Basically auto-rendering of these two can not be correct for all cases/zooms. Needs intelligence to say “nudge that building away from the road in this

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in top 100 websites

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:24:29AM +, Steve Chilton wrote: OSM appears in the 100 top sites for the year ahead list in UK's Guardian newspaper today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/18/internet-websites I like the comment for Where’s the Path: “Let down by OS's absurd

Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads

2008-12-18 Thread OJ W
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Nathan Mixter srmix...@hotmail.com wrote: Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Not if the building is over the road http://picasaweb.google.com/hemrajpathare/CopenhagenPhotos#5225837680766253506

Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 03:19:02PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: Rather than try to centralize everything we know about the world into OSM, we would be better off figuring out how multiple databases can be tightly connected. There’s the added bonus that when you make a project independent from

Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables

2008-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: I assure you public transport timetables are very complex and one most certainly can't implement it as tags to the OSM model. Given that we have * Unlimited numbers of key/value pairs per object * Recursivable

Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads

2008-12-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
OJ W wrote: Sent: 18 December 2008 11:19 AM To: Nathan Mixter Cc: openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Nathan Mixter srmix...@hotmail.com wrote: Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Not if the building is over the

Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads

2008-12-18 Thread Patrick Weber
Or literally through the building ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_Tower_Building This case is also interesting when it comes to tagging layers. what takes precedence in rendering, the road or the building? OJ W wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Nathan Mixter srmix...@hotmail.com

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in top 100 websites

2008-12-18 Thread Donald Allwright
I like the comment for Where’s the Path: “Let down by OS's absurd OpenSpace restrictions.” and if you try clicking on that site, you'll discover it's let down by what appears to be a restriction on the number of page hits imposed by OS. Presumably that limit has been reached today as a

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import

2008-12-18 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/12/17 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: So for example, importing a park (in a mapped area) we would just show the outline dots of the park, and the user can connect the dots and show it the 'right' way osm-style. So we would discard the knowledge of the sequence in which the

Re: [OSM-talk] Buildings and roads

2008-12-18 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es wrote: Well, there is still a lot of data to import (land use and boundaries IIRC), but I was too lazy to program the conversion script to take into account the OSM relationships needed to correctly tag the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in top 100 websites

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:17:24AM -0800, Donald Allwright wrote: I like the comment for Where’s the Path: “Let down by OS's absurd OpenSpace restrictions.” and if you try clicking on that site, you'll discover it's let down by what appears to be a restriction on the number of page

Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables

2008-12-18 Thread Nick Whitelegg
I used to catch a train which was exactly 15 minutes late every day (for a year or more). Writing down when it actually leaves rather than when the timetable says it should leave, would be quite useful for someone planning to take that train... Sounds like the dreaded 17:35 from Bath to

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Nick Whitelegg
I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for various reasons. There is not however a problem as far as I know in people collecting their own timetable information from printed material and entering

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Peter Miller
On 18 Dec 2008, at 13:46, Nick Whitelegg wrote: I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for various reasons. There is not however a problem as far as I know in people collecting their own

[OSM-talk] Request for a new 'talk-transit' email list

2008-12-18 Thread Peter Miller
Could someone who is able to please set up a new 'talk-transit' list with the description 'For discussion of public transport/transit related topics including rail/bus/tram/ferry/paratransit/shared taxis etc' I am happy to be an administrator for it if one is needed and no doubt others

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P Or use the admin_level tag. Pieren That wouldn't work in this case, because as the OP mentioned, San

[OSM-talk] Pompeii - the coming home

2008-12-18 Thread Simone Cortesi
Hi, after about 10 days from the first OSM archeo mapping party, the first CC-BY-SA map of the ruined and partially buried Roman city near modern Naples (Italy) is emerging from Mapnik. Here you can find some results of our work (which is not finished yet):

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Adam Killian
Karl Newman wrote: That wouldn't work in this case, because as the OP mentioned, San Jose and San Francisco have equal admin_level rankings (county seat) and San Jose is larger in both area and population. As an aside, San Francisco is unique in the USA (as far as I know) in that the

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Adam Killian vi...@bonius.com wrote: Karl Newman wrote: That wouldn't work in this case, because as the OP mentioned, San Jose and San Francisco have equal admin_level rankings (county seat) and San Jose is larger in both area and population. As an aside,

Re: [OSM-talk] Pompeii - the coming home

2008-12-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Simone Cortesi after about 10 days from the first OSM archeo mapping party, the first CC-BY-SA map of the ruined and partially buried Roman city near modern Naples (Italy) is emerging from Mapnik. Really very nice work ! I have to say that there is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Buildings and roads

2008-12-18 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves, 18 de Diciembre de 2008, Simone Cortesi escribió: where can these boundary data be found? The details can be found over here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Philippines_Data_Import#Naga Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves, 18 de Diciembre de 2008, Karl Newman escribió: Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P Or use the admin_level tag. That wouldn't work in this case, because as the OP mentioned, San Jose and San Francisco have equal admin_level rankings (county seat) and San Jose is larger

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import

2008-12-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Sam Vekemans wrote: And so, im not sure that the local are mappers would want to have a manual merge (wiping out what they did, importing all the roads, then slowely bringing back the OSM roads if any are needed) By having the roads which were not mapped available as nodes to be traced,

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.eswrote: El Jueves, 18 de Diciembre de 2008, Karl Newman escribió: Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P Or use the admin_level tag. That wouldn't work in this case, because as the OP mentioned, San Jose

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es wrote: El Jueves, 18 de Diciembre de 2008, Karl Newman escribió: Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P Or use the admin_level tag. So, cultural_level tag? Nothing more subjective ? ;-) Say the truth : we

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing more subjective ? ;-) Say the truth : we need a tag for rendering in case of name collision when the category (city) and admin_level (county seat) are the same (forget population which is even worst in this example).

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: That's the sort of thing automated renderers have difficulty sorting out. Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P (I would hazard a guess that San Jose has a larger economic impact, though.) I have suggested that

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es wrote: El Jueves, 18 de Diciembre de 2008, Karl Newman escribió: Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P Or use the admin_level tag. So,

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.comwrote: That's the sort of thing automated renderers have difficulty sorting out. Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P (I would hazard a guess that

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for various reasons. There is not however a problem as far as I know in people

[OSM-talk] OpenSantaMap

2008-12-18 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
One of the main strengths of OpenStreetMap is that we have access to the raw data, and one of the best ways we can illustrate this power, whilst also reinforcing the idea that the map is just a rendering of the data, is to create custom renders. Great examples of these are the Mapnik and

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: You're still missing the point about San Jose--it's larger in both area and population (and probably in economic activity as well), and is located within an hour's drive of San Francisco, but San Francisco is better

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Adam Killian vi...@bonius.com wrote: Karl Newman wrote: That wouldn't work in this case, because as the OP mentioned, San Jose and San Francisco have equal admin_level rankings (county

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.comwrote: You're still missing the point about San Jose--it's larger in both area and population (and probably in economic activity as well), and is located

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: ok, not that likely, but I wouldn't use a tag with a different meaning when we can just add another specific one; Is that really so different ? It is a renderer issue. Mapnik decides to not draw one of the names

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: Sure it is. If a lot of people want to live in a place, in general that should make it more notable. Besides, I was only suggesting using population as a tiebreaker for equal place key values. It's not the final answer,

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.comwrote: Sure it is. If a lot of people want to live in a place, in general that should make it more notable. Besides, I was only suggesting using

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps based onOpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Joe Hughes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: I can sympathise with your pragmatism, and was starting realise that must be what's behind your choice. Sad but true. I still think while you can accept CSV, you should want to cast into XML pretty soon to make it nice

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Ed Loach
Gustav wrote: How many values should we have for populated places? We have 4 now (hamlet/village/town/city). Should we add more? Reduce to fewer? Maybe just one? Perhaps something could be done similar to boundary with so many admin_levels and some sort of default mapping from the existing

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Joe Hughes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: I was wondering however, if any of the authorities in gtfs-data- exchange would mind their data about the positioning of bus stops to be imported into OSM. Might be worth asking them at some point. The current bus

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-18 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 03:07:30AM +, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of relevance to this thread. just tested, very promising ! and works like a

[OSM-talk] (no subject)

2008-12-18 Thread Nathan Mixter
That is the rare exception. Not the norm On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Nathan Mixter srmix...@hotmail.com wrote: Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Not if the building is over the road

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenSantaMap

2008-12-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I hope these flies. We are only a style sheet away from making topical maps. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Tim Waters (chippy) Sent: 18 December 2008 4:38 PM To: Talk Openstreetmap Subject:

Re: [OSM-talk] Errors or not errors?

2008-12-18 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Tomas Straupis tomasstrau...@gmail.com wrote: Hello While fixing some validation errors I've found an interesting case and would like to get your opinion on how to deal with it. There is a school stadium mapped. Stadium has a usual oval and two starting

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Perhaps something could be done similar to boundary with so many admin_levels and some sort of default mapping from the existing 4 places to their new numeric equivalent (a bit like footway and some combination of tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Beej Jorgensen
Karl Newman wrote: As an aside, San Francisco is unique in the USA (as far as I know) in that the city and county have the same extents. Oh, so THAT'S why San Francisco's unique! I've always wondered. ;) -Beej, proud Bay Area citizen ___ talk

[OSM-talk] getting ewms to work?

2008-12-18 Thread graham
Hi, I use josm for my editing but hadn't used it for a while - in particular, the yahoo imagery with the wms plugin. So I rather dumbly thought I should upgrade the wms plugin before I started, without checking if that was ok. Now I find it is no longer using firefox, but webkit. I'm really

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
As a datapoint, Google renders SF and SJ the same way until you zoom out far enough, and then SJ disappears. FWIW, -Beej Strange. In the catholic hierarchy, San Jose (Jesus' father) is clearly above San

Re: [OSM-talk] getting ewms to work?

2008-12-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, graham wrote: Does anyone have the new version running on gentoo? Not me, but the SVN (svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/wmsplugin) has a webkit-image.cpp that you can compile and use if you want. Alternatively, is there a copy of the old plugin I can revert to

[OSM-talk] uh ho... paranoia abounds

2008-12-18 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/18/2047203 chrb writes Following on from the discussion about Apple disabling GPS in Egyptian iPhones, we have a new case of the conflict between the traditional secrecy of government, and the widening availability of cheap, accurate GPS devices

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam] Re: Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedonOpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Peter Miller
On 18 Dec 2008, at 17:28, Joe Hughes wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: I can sympathise with your pragmatism, and was starting realise that must be what's behind your choice. Sad but true. I still think while you can accept CSV, you should

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam] Re: Is anyone making public transport routing mapsbasedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Peter Miller
On 18 Dec 2008, at 17:44, Joe Hughes wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: I was wondering however, if any of the authorities in gtfs-data- exchange would mind their data about the positioning of bus stops to be imported into OSM. Might be

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenSantaMap

2008-12-18 Thread Shaun McDonald
I have bought opensantamap.org. Shaun On 18 Dec 2008, at 18:18, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: I hope these flies. We are only a style sheet away from making topical maps. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-

[OSM-talk] New mass imports over existing data

2008-12-18 Thread Beej Jorgensen
Hey all, This is sort of a general question with a specific example, namely, Marin County. Marin County (just north of the Golden Gate Bridge and San Francisco, California) already exists in OSM. It's made of bad TIGER data that has been partially corrected (by myself and others). Streams and

[OSM-talk] Importing Government Data

2008-12-18 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi all, Such great feedback from my latest 'rant: importing GeoBase nodes' Thanks :) What this did was sparked some major issues that need to be addressed. I think this is more important, than going deeper on that rant. I created a new wiki page Importing Government Data

Re: [OSM-talk] New mass imports over existing data

2008-12-18 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
Use a powertool like JOSM to go over it and see how much has changed, and coordinate with the users who've made changes in that area. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New mass imports over existing data

2008-12-18 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Beej Jorgensen b...@beej.us wrote: Hey all, This is sort of a general question with a specific example, namely, Marin County. Marin County (just north of the Golden Gate Bridge and San Francisco, California) already exists in OSM. It's made of bad TIGER

Re: [OSM-talk] Errors or not errors?

2008-12-18 Thread D Tucny
2008/12/19 Tomas Straupis tomasstrau...@gmail.com Hello While fixing some validation errors I've found an interesting case and would like to get your opinion on how to deal with it. There is a school stadium mapped. Stadium has a usual oval and two starting tails. It is mapped as

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Importing Government Data

2008-12-18 Thread Sam Vekemans
Cool :) what can be done is creating a section for all the options for importing government data - including the ones that were 'mud' but state 'why' it was rejected. Also list pending or aproved stuff I got a start; disaproved: blow away data and replace on-mass -slap on imported data create

Re: [talk-au] National Park Marine Park boundaries

2008-12-18 Thread Hugh Barnes
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:41:59 +1100 Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: I have a sneaking suspicion that National Parks and State Forests are defined by acts of Parliament at the federal and state levels respectively, so the co-ord are probably in Hansard somewhere... Well,

Re: [talk-au] National Park Marine Park boundaries

2008-12-18 Thread Matt White
Hugh Barnes wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:41:59 +1100 Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: I have a sneaking suspicion that National Parks and State Forests are defined by acts of Parliament at the federal and state levels respectively, so the co-ord are probably in

Re: [Talk-de] osm2mp - routing von der commandozeile

2008-12-18 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
hallo jürgen, bei mir war eine osminog.exe im verzeichnis ! wo hast du heruntergeladen ? gruß Jan :-) FrauSuhrbier schrieb: Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Moin! wenn man das Programm für die Konvertierung von osm-mp (Routing) startet, dann kommt ein Dialog. Kann man den Vorgang auch per

Re: [Talk-de] Externe GPS-Antenne

2008-12-18 Thread Sebastian Niehaus
addi...@gmx.net (Johann H. Addicks) writes: [...] Aber wenn man schon Aufwand für die Befestigung an einem erhöhten Standpunkt treibt, dann kann ich auch besser gleich etwas besseres als die übliche kleine 4x4cm² Planarantenne Cool, eine 16 cm^4 messende Antenne habe ich wirklich noch

[Talk-de] Suche Fakten über OSM-Server

2008-12-18 Thread Torsten Breda
Für den Zahlen/Daten/Fakten-Teil der OSM-Presseinformation ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Presseteam/Presseinformation#Zahlen.2C_Daten.2C_Fakten ) suche ich Informationen über die Infrastruktur des Projektes (also Server usw.) Wo stehen die Server? Was wird verwendet? Wofür werden sie

[Talk-de] JOSM - Fang von POI

2008-12-18 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hallo ! da versucht man nun möglichst genau zu messen und beim Zeichen setzt man die Symbole per Maus solala auf die Markierungen. Wäre es nicht denkbar eine Art Objektfang zu erstellen der als Nodeeinfügepunkt dirkte den POI-Definitionspunkt fäßt. Vergleichbares ist ja schon beim Einfügen

[Talk-de] Osm-Bug-Side in Deutsch

2008-12-18 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hallo ! weiß einer von Euch wer die Bug-Seite pflegt? Wäre vielleicht ein deutschsprachiger Abschnitt ganz hilfreich. gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: laden entlang eines Weges

2008-12-18 Thread Dimitri Junker
Hallo, Gibt es seit dem 19.11. (Version 1086ff.) Man sollte häufiger updaten und sich die neuen Features ansehen ;-) Das Featuere ist noch etwas experimentell, aber Du kannst ja mal damit experimentieren ;-) Habe auch schon etwas gefunden was verbessert werden sollte. Ich hatte eine

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: laden entlang eines Weges

2008-12-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Frederik, Gibt es seit dem 19.11. (Version 1086ff.) Ein herzliches Dankeschön! Dir und all denen die JOSM zu einem so tollen Werkzeug machen. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM - Fang von POI

2008-12-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Jan, ... oder gibt es das schon ? Ja: Bearbeiten - Punkt hinzufügen oder Shift-D Geht auf viele Kommastellen genau: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/de:Genauigkeit_von_Koordinaten Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM - Fang von POI

2008-12-18 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hallo Markus, ich will ja nicht einen Punkt über die Werte definieren. Ich möchte, dass beim Definieren eines Nodes und klicken in einem gewissen Umkreis um den POI das dieser autom. die Koordinate des POI übernimmt. Aber das andere, mit dem Dialog, hatte ich auch schon gesucht ! Gruß Jan

Re: [Talk-de] Ortsgebiet

2008-12-18 Thread Sven Rautenberg
Wolfgang Wienke schrieb: Hallo! Bernd Raichle schrieb: Besser ist IMHO ein eingetragenes Ortsschild als _kein_ eingetragenes Ortsschild. Wenn einem die Tags nicht passen, kann die spaeter jemand anderes immer noch entsprechend korrigieren bzw. so umsetzen, dass ein Router/Renderer/... was

Re: [Talk-de] Lagegenauigkeit der LVA-Luftbilder

2008-12-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Miriam, da ich ja erst mal einen Punkt kennen muß Seit ich weiss wie diese Dinger aussehen, sehe ich sie überall... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Altitude#Referenzhöhe Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-de] Route-Relationen rendern lassen

2008-12-18 Thread Sebastian Goerke
Hallo zusammen, im Rahmen eines Seminars an der Uni Bonn kartieren wir zur Zeit ein Stück des Kottenforstes in Bonn. Wir stehen jetzt vor dem Problem, dass wir eine Route-Relation, die einen Rundweg beinhaltet nicht dazu beommen, dass er gerendert wird. Im Wiki steht dazu der sinnvole Satz,

Re: [Talk-de] genauer Online-Transformator für Marku s OSM

2008-12-18 Thread Sven Rautenberg
Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Achja: BITTE Realname posten ... Netiquette. Die Forderung nach Realname-Postings ist gerade in Zeiten steigender staatlicher Vollüberwachung, aber auch im Interesse eines klein gehaltenen Google-Suchprofils absurd. Aber selbstverständlich kann den Realname-Fanatikern

Re: [Talk-de] Externe GPS-Antenne

2008-12-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 01:04:00AM +, Johann H. Addicks wrote: Schau Dir mal die Antennen an, von denen jha Links gepostet hat (die für 159EUR und die von Leica). Das sind beides Choke Ring-Antennen. Ich bin mir bei diesem Ding für 159FRZ nicht sicher, ob das eine ist. Der Anbieter

Re: [Talk-de] Route-Relationen rendern lassen

2008-12-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Sebastian, Im Wiki steht dazu der sinnvole Satz, dass der Weg ein Symbol braucht. Leider fehlt die Beschreibung, wie man dieses einbaut. Das geht so:... ... bedeutet, dass hier noch Handlungsbedarf besteht. Bisher werden weder Relationen, noch dazugehörige Symbole angezeigt. Dafür

Re: [Talk-de] Gewerbegebiet = ? residential ????

2008-12-18 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Donnerstag 18 Dezember 2008 schrieb Garry: Guenther Meyer schrieb: hmm, ich hatte immer gedacht, dass die highway-typen unclassified und residential rein von der strasse gesehen identisch sind. der einzige unterschied ist der, dass bei einem eine bebauung vorhanden ist (egal ob

Re: [Talk-de] Externe GPS-Antenne

2008-12-18 Thread René Falk
Am Donnerstag, 18. Dezember 2008DE 09:19:22DE schrieb Sebastian Niehaus: Auf dem Fahrrad wird das eher schwierig und auf anderen Straßenverkehrsfahrzeugen vermutlich auch. Wenn Du siehst, was sich Amateurfunker teilweise als Antennen ans Auto, Fahrrad, sonstigen Fortbewegungsmitteln oder den

[Talk-de] ETRS89 - WGS84 war: Lagegenauigkeit der LVA-Luftbilder

2008-12-18 Thread Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR)
Hallo Christian, ich habe mich gerade nochmals in der EPSG-Datenbank umgesehen und festgestellt, dass dort ETRS89 (EPSG:4258) und WGS84 (EPSG: 4326) als identisch (Unterschied1m) betrachtet wird. Zumindest gelten bei der Umrechnung die selben Parameter. ETRS89 verwendet das Ellipsoid GRS80 ,

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