Did you read all I wrote? What do you think I mean with "If we want to
specify the type you are of course welcome to do that, e.g.
bridge=viaduct or electrified=contact_line" and "These are only
examples where yes|no could be used. Other descriptive values are
still valid, e.g. bridge=viaduct or el
Before we get too far, I want to say that I believe that OSM will
NEVER be completely correct or consistent. Its correctness and
consistency will fluctuate up and down depending on the expectations
of the viewer.
That said, I believe it a mistake to NOT have perfect consistency as a
goal even tho
Andrew Errington writes:
> 1) The street has no name (and you might hum a tune by U2)
> 2) The street has a name but it has not been recorded
>
> Either way, it doesn't matter.
E, no, it really does matter.
> If I am a map user then I can not intuit whether the name is missing, or
> th
2009/10/4 Matt Amos :
> no one is advocating for error. you seem to be advocating for a tag
> with the sole purpose of not rendering something in a single renderer.
> to me, that seems wrong.
I use a similar feature in JOSM to show me unnamed streets to know
which ones still need to be named, I th
2009/10/4 Russ Nelson :
> The OSM community is hostile to leadership even when that leadership
> merely renders advice. Frederick's advice to create a committee to
I think the problem here isn't the OSM community, but a vocal minority
that don't want anything but the status quo, and while techniq
2009/10/4 Roy Wallace :
> Do you realise that the only alternative to voluntary adoption is
> enforcement? Do you really want to force your idea on others even if
> they "think their idea is better"? /No thanks/.
That isn't the only alternative, you always have carrots not just
sticks. The carrot
2009/10/4 Konrad Skeri :
> boolean values are allowed. Instead of bridge=jomenvisst we should use
> bridge=yes, and instead of electrified=naltaseotroligt we should use
Bridge isn't listed as boolean only, you can also have bridge=viaduct
which I've used a few times.
Other values listed on the ma
2009/10/3 Dave Hansen :
> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 02:24 +1000, John Smith wrote:
>> 2009/10/4 Dave Hansen :
>> > Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses?
>> >
>> >
>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema
>> >
>> > Well, I have some
On 3 Oct 2009, at 17:42, Mike N. wrote:
>
> It needs to follow the road way to some extent, but it might be
> possible
> to simplify by reducing node count so that it doesn't exactly follow
> the
> road. In the samples I have seen, house placement is much
> different than
> the road path
Erm, its been all over the mailing lists about 2 weeks ago, it was
featured on the OpenGeoData blog, it has 1,452 positive votes as I
write this
2009/10/3 Andreas Kalsch :
> I have found this in the OpenStreetMap news, and I wondered why I have
> given the first vote for it.
>
> http://twitter
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, James Livingston wrote:
>
> The problem isn't tied to a particular mechanism, it's a social
> problem where we currently don't have any form if power structure,
This isn't a problem in itself.
> and the one mechanism we have for choosing stuff (voting on the wiki)
On 10/3/09, Russ Nelson wrote:
> Matt Amos writes:
> > > I point to the +1 year age of the Noname proposal and recent
> > > inactivity and suggest that convergance isn't happening.
> >
> > maybe there isn't a need for convergence here? we've got a nonames map
> > to help mappers decide where
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 2:06 PM, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/10/3 Roy Wallace :
>>
>> Frederik's point is valid - if you want a tagging committee/working
>> group/whatever, start one. If you want an international tagging
>> committee, start one. If it's better than the current arrangement,
>> mappers
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/10/3 Dave F. :
> > John Smith wrote:
> >> The third is generally the best option in practise most of the time,
> >> it should comprise of no more than 10 people, preferably 5 since the
> >> more people involved the less people are going to come to a cons
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:02:07 +0200, Konrad Skeri wrote:
> Time to end this debate
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
I do not think that jumping over "Draft" and "Proposed" stages directly to
"Voting" stage for a Proposal is in accordance with
http://wiki.opens
Sorry, I apparently was not clear enough there. I've corrected it on
the wiki. I meant to decide what values to use when boolean values are
intended. The examples given were not intended as examples when only
boolean values are allowed. Instead of bridge=jomenvisst we should use
bridge=yes, and ins
Matt Amos writes:
> > I point to the +1 year age of the Noname proposal and recent
> > inactivity and suggest that convergance isn't happening.
>
> maybe there isn't a need for convergence here? we've got a nonames map
> to help mappers decide where their time might be well-spent.
And well-s
On 03/10/09 09:24, James Livingston wrote:
> Just do what I and a lot of other people have done - give up on the
> wiki being useful, and just go ahead and tag it however you like,
> checking tagwatch and similar to see what other people are actually
> using.
tagwatch tells you what tags people ar
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses?
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema
That's the scheme I use when adding addresses. There are presets for
it in Potlatche, so I
> My goal is to get the addresses imported into OSM this time
> around.
I agree - most newbies' first usage of openstreetmap.org is to type their
street address, then not look further when nothing is found.(I know we
aren't serving as a real time reference site, but some of these people d
2009/10/2 Dan Karran :
> 2009/9/30 andrzej zaborowski :
>> It's at http://www.openstreetmap.pl/wp (see caveats below).
>
> In terms of interface, those circles can get in the way at times so it
> can be difficult to see what's under them, especially as they grow in
> size when you move your mouse n
On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 02:24 +1000, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/10/4 Dave Hansen :
> > Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses?
> >
> >
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema
> >
> > Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 20
2009/10/4 Dave Hansen :
> Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses?
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema
>
> Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 2007/2008 TIGER data
> files. My goal is to get the addresses import
> I think the real question is what would importing a new version of the
> tiger data do to all the tiger data fixes we've spent so much time on.
Good question - I would hope that whatever is done takes maximal
consideration for any existing edits - along the lines of OpenJump /
RoadMatcher u
Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema
Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 2007/2008 TIGER data
files. My goal is to get the addresses imported into OSM this time
around. Here
John Smith wrote:
> 2009/10/3 Apollinaris Schoell :
>
>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:06 , John Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You do if you want a consistent data set.
>>>
>> And what if I don't want?
>> There are 1000s of mappers and not everyone thinks like you and agrees with
>> you. If you can'
Dave Stubbs wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>>
>>> Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
>>>
>>>
For starters if the maintainers of JOSM Potlatch and Merkaartor encouraged
the use of yes/no it would be a way forward.
I think the real question is what would importing a new version of the
tiger data do to all the tiger data fixes we've spent so much time on.
On 10/3/2009 2:33 AM, John Mitchell wrote:
I believe that open street map includes tiger data, if so how long
will the 2009 version be incorporated into
Tagging the general direction of a way as incline=up/down:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/incline_up_down
Vote-Start: 2009-10-03
Vote-End: 2009-10-17
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2009/10/3 Matt Amos :
> it has to be said that, according to my german dictionary, the word
> "Führer" just means "leader" or "guide". i don't know if there are
> pejorative overtones to it in modern german use.
no, there aren't, it's the only word for "guide", used in alpine
tourism, for tourist
2009/10/3 Tobias Knerr :
> James Livingston wrote:
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
>>
>> How precisely is that going to end the debate?
>>
>> a) Voting isn't the way to do this. It either needs consensus or a
>> dictator.
>
> It will probably demonstrate that
On 10/3/09, Russ Nelson wrote:
> Matt Amos writes:
> > forcing all mappers, editors and renderers to support it?
>
> Why do people keep saying that I want to use force? From where do
> they get this idea? Have I ever suggested the use of force? Gun,
> knife, sword, empty hand? Rejection of il
James Livingston wrote:
> b) Lots of people don't care about some stupid vote on the wiki
>
How do you know that?
Did you have a vote on it?
Dave F.
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2009/10/3 Dave F. :
> John Smith wrote:
>> The third is generally the best option in practise most of the time,
>> it should comprise of no more than 10 people, preferably 5 since the
>> more people involved the less people are going to come to a consensus.
>>
>>
> In my experience it's always bett
John Smith wrote:
> The third is generally the best option in practise most of the time,
> it should comprise of no more than 10 people, preferably 5 since the
> more people involved the less people are going to come to a consensus.
>
>
In my experience it's always better to have an odd number o
DavidD schrieb:
> If that isn't good enough what other method is there?
> How do you get from where OSM is now to the goal? Until someone starts
> coming up with ideas that have some connection to reality this will
> get nowhere. At the moment it is not much more than a bunch of people
> yelling "t
2009/10/3 Frederik Ramm :
> We have, time and time again, debated tagging rules. Some people,
> including you, tirelessly (well, more or less) campaigned for stricter
> rules, with a tight voting system and all. Others, including me, were of
> the laissez-faire disposition.
> I think that if some
2009/10/3 James Livingston :
> That mostly works because you're talking about code, not paragraphs of
> description of what a tag means. If they're knowledgeable enough to
> figure it out, two people reading a chunk of code should come up the
> same idea of what it does, which doesn't happen with t
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham :
> On 03/10/09 00:49, DavidD wrote:
>> Just start making the decisions and build the thing on top of OSM. It
>> wouldn't even be that difficult to start off. Just take planet.osm and
>> strip "unapproved" tags and build up from there.
>
> So OSM is in a state where it onl
James Livingston wrote:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
>
> How precisely is that going to end the debate?
>
> a) Voting isn't the way to do this. It either needs consensus or a
> dictator.
It will probably demonstrate that there already *is* a consensus
Konrad Skeri wrote:
> Time to end this debate
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/boolean_values
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ed...@billiau.net schrieb:
> Frederik said
>> All this is possible *within* the existing OSM framework and without any
>> strong leader telling us where to go. I really do encourage you and all
>> those calling for leadership to get together, form your own advisory
>> board or tagging committee or
Roy Wallace schrieb:
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> I really do encourage you and all
>> those calling for leadership to get together, form your own advisory
>> board or tagging committee or whatever, create the structures you think
>> are required, and then offer them f
On 03/10/2009, at 4:29 PM, Gervase Markham wrote:
> Because sometimes, occasionally, a benevolent dictator (a phrase
> used by
> lots of open source projects) has to break deadlock and dictate.
> Things
> are working well when that power is used very, very rarely, but it
> needs
> to exist. M
On 03/10/2009, at 5:54 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote:
> Consensus will never happen and we don't have a dictator, which makes
> voting the option left.
I actually agree that we just need to pick one, and since "yes" seems
to be the most commonly used one, that should be it. However, I just
don't see
2009/10/3 Peteris Krisjanis :
> Actually more important question - why people which love mapping (and
> I guess we all do, otherwise we wouldn't be here), are discussing such
> simple things as BOOLEAN values in a midday of the Saturday? (ok, for
> others it is probably very very early morning). I
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:07 PM, MP wrote:
> I notices few days ago user farlokko changed many shop=groceries into
> shop=greengrocer worldwide.
>
> The changeset is http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2562959
>
> I think this change is wrong, at least for most nodes in czech
> republic -
2009/10/3 John Smith :
> 2009/10/3 James Livingston :
>> On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote:
>>> Time to end this debate
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
>>
>>
>> Oh, and this:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/VotingOnT
2009/10/3 James Livingston :
> On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote:
>> Time to end this debate
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
>
>
> Oh, and this:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/VotingOnTheWikiIsStupid
Not that I'm disag
> How precisely is that going to end the debate?
>
> a) Voting isn't the way to do this. It either needs consensus or a
> dictator.
Consensus will never happen and we don't have a dictator, which makes
voting the option left.
> b) Lots of people don't care about some stupid vote on the wiki
Ther
2009/10/3 James Livingston :
> On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> This was not only highly frustrating but demoralising and as a result
>> I've not been bothered tagging any more school zones because I don't
>> see a point until there is a "One True Way" to tag school zones.
>
> Just d
I believe that open street map includes tiger data, if so how long will the
2009 version be incorporated into open street map.
John
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Kevin wrote:
> Released October 1, 2009
> http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/tgrshp2009/tgrshp2009.html
>
> _
On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote:
> Time to end this debate
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
Oh, and this:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/VotingOnTheWikiIsStupid
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On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote:
> Time to end this debate
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
How precisely is that going to end the debate?
a) Voting isn't the way to do this. It either needs consensus or a
dictator.
b) Lots of people don't ca
On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, John Smith wrote:
> This was not only highly frustrating but demoralising and as a result
> I've not been bothered tagging any more school zones because I don't
> see a point until there is a "One True Way" to tag school zones.
Just do what I and a lot of other people ha
I would agree that it is completely wrong to change =groceries to =greengrocer.
It would be nice if farlokko would revert these changes except where (s)he
knows that only fruit and vegetables are sold.
The descriptions given by Martin are also correct in the UK. I tend to use
=convenience, as i
On 03/10/2009, at 4:25 PM, Gervase Markham wrote:
> Wikipedia has much less need for consistency than we do (e.g. it
> doesn't
> matter if one article is in American English and another in Australian
> English; articles are not machine-parsed) and yet they have all
> sorts of
> mechanisms for e
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham :
> Two reasons off the top of my head: because we don't want to spend ages
> developing consistent tag sets and putting them on the wiki only to have
> someone else mess around with them. And because we'd like to get some
> sort of consensus before starting off on what wi
Time to end this debate
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
regards
Konrad
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