Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license status

2009-10-03 Thread Ulf Möller
James Livingston schrieb: Something I just thought of that would probably be worth talking about - how does the active contributor for voting, and other things, work if (unfortunately) the project forks? The forked project would be able to use the regular ODbL upgrade path (a later

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Gervase Markham
On 03/10/09 06:00, John Smith wrote: No we need a committee to decide upon a core set of values that people should use where possible instead of naming the same thing 10 different ways, the argument over boolean values just highlights the point. OK, sorry, I thought that someone was

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Gervase Markham
On 03/10/09 04:00, Matt Amos wrote: are you suggesting that the best way forward is for some authority to decree that there is One True Way of tagging noname roads and forcing all mappers, editors and renderers to support it? No, the best way forward is for some authority to decree that there

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Gervase Markham
On 03/10/09 00:49, DavidD wrote: Just start making the decisions and build the thing on top of OSM. It wouldn't even be that difficult to start off. Just take planet.osm and strip unapproved tags and build up from there. So OSM is in a state where it only becomes usefully consistent if you

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: My view is not that we should have one committee, but that groups of people with particular expertise should come together to develop the tag sets for particular areas (e.g. canals, mountain biking), those should I was starting small, I thought if

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Gervase Markham
On 03/10/09 01:08, Frederik Ramm wrote: It may be your way to try and understand a conversation by looking not at what has been said, but at who said it and what that might reveal about their personal situation, upbringing, education, employment or other circumstances. I'm used to this from

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Gervase Markham
On 03/10/09 05:16, Andrew Errington wrote: If you see a street on the map with no name displayed you might think one of two things: 1) The street has no name (and you might hum a tune by U2) 2) The street has a name but it has not been recorded Either way, it doesn't matter. It darn well

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Liz
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: If there is a need for more granular committees then so be it, but there is some fairly fundamental things that need to be addressed, like street numbering, like foot paths/cycle ways. and street numbering has been looked at on the committee basis and a

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Konrad Skeri
Time to end this debate http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values regards Konrad ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: Two reasons off the top of my head: because we don't want to spend ages developing consistent tag sets and putting them on the wiki only to have someone else mess around with them. And because we'd like to get some sort of consensus before

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread James Livingston
On 03/10/2009, at 4:25 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: Wikipedia has much less need for consistency than we do (e.g. it doesn't matter if one article is in American English and another in Australian English; articles are not machine-parsed) and yet they have all sorts of mechanisms for

Re: [OSM-talk] shop=groceries?

2009-10-03 Thread Mike Harris
I would agree that it is completely wrong to change =groceries to =greengrocer. It would be nice if farlokko would revert these changes except where (s)he knows that only fruit and vegetables are sold. The descriptions given by Martin are also correct in the UK. I tend to use =convenience, as

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread James Livingston
On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, John Smith wrote: This was not only highly frustrating but demoralising and as a result I've not been bothered tagging any more school zones because I don't see a point until there is a One True Way to tag school zones. Just do what I and a lot of other people have

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread James Livingston
On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote: Time to end this debate http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values How precisely is that going to end the debate? a) Voting isn't the way to do this. It either needs consensus or a dictator. b) Lots of people don't care

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread James Livingston
On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote: Time to end this debate http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values Oh, and this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/VotingOnTheWikiIsStupid ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] 2009 TIGER Shapefiles now available

2009-10-03 Thread John Mitchell
I believe that open street map includes tiger data, if so how long will the 2009 version be incorporated into open street map. John On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Kevin ksamp...@uga.edu wrote: Released October 1, 2009 http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/tgrshp2009/tgrshp2009.html

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, John Smith wrote: This was not only highly frustrating but demoralising and as a result I've not been bothered tagging any more school zones because I don't see a point until there is a One True Way to tag school zones.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Konrad Skeri
How precisely is that going to end the debate? a) Voting isn't the way to do this. It either needs consensus or a dictator. Consensus will never happen and we don't have a dictator, which makes voting the option left. b) Lots of people don't care about some stupid vote on the wiki There

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote: Time to end this debate http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values Oh, and this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/VotingOnTheWikiIsStupid Not that I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/10/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/10/3 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote: Time to end this debate http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values Oh, and this:

Re: [OSM-talk] shop=groceries?

2009-10-03 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:07 PM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: I notices few days ago user farlokko changed many shop=groceries into shop=greengrocer worldwide. The changeset is http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2562959 I think this change is wrong, at least for most nodes in

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: Actually more important question - why people which love mapping (and I guess we all do, otherwise we wouldn't be here), are discussing such simple things as BOOLEAN values in a midday of the Saturday? (ok, for others it is probably very very early

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread James Livingston
On 03/10/2009, at 5:54 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote: Consensus will never happen and we don't have a dictator, which makes voting the option left. I actually agree that we just need to pick one, and since yes seems to be the most commonly used one, that should be it. However, I just don't see how

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread James Livingston
On 03/10/2009, at 4:29 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: Because sometimes, occasionally, a benevolent dictator (a phrase used by lots of open source projects) has to break deadlock and dictate. Things are working well when that power is used very, very rarely, but it needs to exist. Mozilla

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Ulf Möller
Roy Wallace schrieb: On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I really do encourage you and all those calling for leadership to get together, form your own advisory board or tagging committee or whatever, create the structures you think are required, and then

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
ed...@billiau.net schrieb: Frederik said All this is possible *within* the existing OSM framework and without any strong leader telling us where to go. I really do encourage you and all those calling for leadership to get together, form your own advisory board or tagging committee or

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Lester Caine
Konrad Skeri wrote: Time to end this debate http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/boolean_values -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
James Livingston wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values How precisely is that going to end the debate? a) Voting isn't the way to do this. It either needs consensus or a dictator. It will probably demonstrate that there already *is* a consensus to use

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread DavidD
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: On 03/10/09 00:49, DavidD wrote: Just start making the decisions and build the thing on top of OSM. It wouldn't even be that difficult to start off. Just take planet.osm and strip unapproved tags and build up from there. So OSM is in a state

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/3 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: That mostly works because you're talking about code, not paragraphs of description of what a tag means. If they're knowledgeable enough to figure it out, two people reading a chunk of code should come up the same idea of what it does, which doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/3 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: We have, time and time again, debated tagging rules. Some people, including you, tirelessly (well, more or less) campaigned for stricter rules, with a tight voting system and all. Others, including me, were of the laissez-faire disposition. I

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
DavidD schrieb: If that isn't good enough what other method is there? How do you get from where OSM is now to the goal? Until someone starts coming up with ideas that have some connection to reality this will get nowhere. At the moment it is not much more than a bunch of people yelling this

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote: The third is generally the best option in practise most of the time, it should comprise of no more than 10 people, preferably 5 since the more people involved the less people are going to come to a consensus. In my experience it's always better to have an odd number off

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: John Smith wrote: The third is generally the best option in practise most of the time, it should comprise of no more than 10 people, preferably 5 since the more people involved the less people are going to come to a consensus. In my experience it's

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Dave F.
James Livingston wrote: b) Lots of people don't care about some stupid vote on the wiki How do you know that? Did you have a vote on it? Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Matt Amos
On 10/3/09, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Matt Amos writes: forcing all mappers, editors and renderers to support it? Why do people keep saying that I want to use force? From where do they get this idea? Have I ever suggested the use of force? Gun, knife, sword, empty hand?

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/3 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: James Livingston wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values How precisely is that going to end the debate? a) Voting isn't the way to do this. It either needs consensus or a dictator. It will probably demonstrate

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/3 Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com: it has to be said that, according to my german dictionary, the word Führer just means leader or guide. i don't know if there are pejorative overtones to it in modern german use. no, there aren't, it's the only word for guide, used in alpine tourism,

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - incline up down

2009-10-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
Tagging the general direction of a way as incline=up/down: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/incline_up_down Vote-Start: 2009-10-03 Vote-End: 2009-10-17 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] 2009 TIGER Shapefiles now available

2009-10-03 Thread Timothy C Litwiller
I think the real question is what would importing a new version of the tiger data do to all the tiger data fixes we've spent so much time on. On 10/3/2009 2:33 AM, John Mitchell wrote: I believe that open street map includes tiger data, if so how long will the 2009 version be incorporated

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-03 Thread Dave F.
Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Elizabeth Dodd wrote: For starters if the maintainers of JOSM Potlatch and Merkaartor encouraged the use of yes/no it would be a way forward.

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote: 2009/10/3 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:06 , John Smith wrote: You do if you want a consistent data set. And what if I don't want? There are 1000s of mappers and not everyone thinks like you and agrees with you. If you can't

[OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread Dave Hansen
Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 2007/2008 TIGER data files. My goal is to get the addresses imported into OSM this time around.

Re: [OSM-talk] 2009 TIGER Shapefiles now available

2009-10-03 Thread Mike N.
I think the real question is what would importing a new version of the tiger data do to all the tiger data fixes we've spent so much time on. Good question - I would hope that whatever is done takes maximal consideration for any existing edits - along the lines of OpenJump / RoadMatcher

Re: [OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net: Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses?         http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 2007/2008 TIGER data files.  My goal is to get the addresses

Re: [OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 02:24 +1000, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/4 Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net: Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema Well, I have some perl code that will parse the

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links

2009-10-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/10/2 Dan Karran d...@karran.net: 2009/9/30 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: It's at http://www.openstreetmap.pl/wp (see caveats below). In terms of interface, those circles can get in the way at times so it can be difficult to see what's under them, especially as they grow in size

Re: [OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread Mike N.
My goal is to get the addresses imported into OSM this time around. I agree - most newbies' first usage of openstreetmap.org is to type their street address, then not look further when nothing is found.(I know we aren't serving as a real time reference site, but some of these people

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses?         http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema That's the scheme I use when adding addresses. There are presets for it in

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Gervase Markham
On 03/10/09 09:24, James Livingston wrote: Just do what I and a lot of other people have done - give up on the wiki being useful, and just go ahead and tag it however you like, checking tagwatch and similar to see what other people are actually using. tagwatch tells you what tags people are

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Matt Amos writes: I point to the +1 year age of the Noname proposal and recent inactivity and suggest that convergance isn't happening. maybe there isn't a need for convergence here? we've got a nonames map to help mappers decide where their time might be well-spent. And well-spent

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Konrad Skeri
Sorry, I apparently was not clear enough there. I've corrected it on the wiki. I meant to decide what values to use when boolean values are intended. The examples given were not intended as examples when only boolean values are allowed. Instead of bridge=jomenvisst we should use bridge=yes, and

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:02:07 +0200, Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com wrote: Time to end this debate http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values I do not think that jumping over Draft and Proposed stages directly to Voting stage for a Proposal is in accordance with

[OSM-talk] osm funny poster

2009-10-03 Thread ouɐɯnH
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Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Liz
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/3 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: John Smith wrote: The third is generally the best option in practise most of the time, it should comprise of no more than 10 people, preferably 5 since the more people involved the less people are going to

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 2:06 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/3 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Frederik's point is valid - if you want a tagging committee/working group/whatever, start one. If you want an international tagging committee, start one. If it's better

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Matt Amos
On 10/3/09, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Matt Amos writes: I point to the +1 year age of the Noname proposal and recent inactivity and suggest that convergance isn't happening. maybe there isn't a need for convergence here? we've got a nonames map to help mappers decide

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: The problem isn't tied to a particular mechanism, it's a social problem where we currently don't have any form if power structure, This isn't a problem in itself. and the one mechanism we have for choosing stuff (voting

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] This #petition needs your votes: Vote for legal use of Google's aerial imagery for #OpenStreetMap tracing!

2009-10-03 Thread Thomas Wood
Erm, its been all over the mailing lists about 2 weeks ago, it was featured on the OpenGeoData blog, it has 1,452 positive votes as I write this 2009/10/3 Andreas Kalsch andreaskal...@gmx.de: I have found this in the OpenStreetMap news, and I wondered why I have given the first vote for it.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 3 Oct 2009, at 17:42, Mike N. wrote: It needs to follow the road way to some extent, but it might be possible to simplify by reducing node count so that it doesn't exactly follow the road. In the samples I have seen, house placement is much different than the road path when

Re: [OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/10/3 Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net: On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 02:24 +1000, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/4 Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net: Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses?         http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema Well, I

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com: boolean values are allowed. Instead of bridge=jomenvisst we should use bridge=yes, and instead of electrified=naltaseotroligt we should use Bridge isn't listed as boolean only, you can also have bridge=viaduct which I've used a few times. Other values

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Do you realise that the only alternative to voluntary adoption is enforcement? Do you really want to force your idea on others even if they think their idea is better? /No thanks/. That isn't the only alternative, you always have carrots not just

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: The OSM community is hostile to leadership even when that leadership merely renders advice.  Frederick's advice to create a committee to I think the problem here isn't the OSM community, but a vocal minority that don't want anything but the status quo,

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com: no one is advocating for error. you seem to be advocating for a tag with the sole purpose of not rendering something in a single renderer. to me, that seems wrong. I use a similar feature in JOSM to show me unnamed streets to know which ones still need

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Andrew Errington writes: 1) The street has no name (and you might hum a tune by U2) 2) The street has a name but it has not been recorded Either way, it doesn't matter. E, no, it really does matter. If I am a map user then I can not intuit whether the name is missing, or there

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Before we get too far, I want to say that I believe that OSM will NEVER be completely correct or consistent. Its correctness and consistency will fluctuate up and down depending on the expectations of the viewer. That said, I believe it a mistake to NOT have perfect consistency as a goal even

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OSM op T-Dose

2009-10-03 Thread Henk Hoff
Peter Leemans schreef: Zal mooi zijn om jullie nog eens in actie te zien, vond de korte 'demo' op SOTM best indrukwekkend. Ik zal er zelf ook twee dagen zijn, en mijn 'map-materiaal' meebrengen. Als het nodig is kan ik eventueel de stand mee helpen bemannen (wil wel enkele presentaties

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandeling op terschelling en taggingsprobleempjes

2009-10-03 Thread Rik de Landloper
Hallo Rob, On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:27 +0200, Rob interru...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi Rik Verder kwam ik een duidelijk track tegen die was afgezet met een schapenhek terwijl volgens de bordjes van Staatsbosbeheer sprake is van 'Vrij wandelen'. ik hoop dat je dat hek ook met barrier=gate

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandeling op terschelling en taggingsprobleempjes

2009-10-03 Thread Cartinus
On Saturday 03 October 2009 15:45:25 Rik de Landloper wrote: ik hoop dat je dat hek ook met barrier=gate hebt getagged.. eventueel nog met een barrier=fence aan beide kanten ? Nee ik heb ze niet getagd. Zoals in mijn eerste posting aangegeven vormt het hek een barrier voor de geiten en niet

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandeling op terschelling en taggingsprobleempjes

2009-10-03 Thread Rik de Landloper
Hallo, On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:15 +0200, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Saturday 03 October 2009 15:45:25 Rik de Landloper wrote: ik hoop dat je dat hek ook met barrier=gate hebt getagged.. eventueel nog met een barrier=fence aan beide kanten ? Nee ik heb ze niet getagd. Zoals in

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: wandeling op terschelling en taggingsprobleempjes]

2009-10-03 Thread Rik de Landloper
Hallo Hein, Goed aanbod. Ik heb zelf geen apparaat te leen. Maar ik dacht dat ze bij osm-nl wel apparaten te leen hadden. Probleem is dat je alleen aan een track op een gps niet voldoende hebt. Het is belangrijk om allerlei zaken die je onderweg tegenkomt op te schrijven of in te praten op een

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Evan Sebire
I stuffed up the Longitude of the central meridian, it should be 149.00929483. That being said, I tested 5 different co-ords and some seem to be out/hard to recognise bbq's. I downloaded 7 parameter transformation tool(works with linux/wine) from

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread James Livingston
On 03/10/2009, at 5:21 PM, Evan Sebire wrote: If someone knows a bbq that is clearly visible on the satellite imagery that would help to verify the procedure. There are two at http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=17ll=-35.293,149.093layer=BTT I think I did those from waypoints, but

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 03/10/2009, at 5:21 PM, Evan Sebire wrote: If someone knows a bbq that is clearly visible on the satellite imagery that would help to verify the procedure. There are two at http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=17ll=-35.293,149.093layer=BTT I

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
Using the Qld govt boundaries information it's possible to work out where streets are, although some streets have been consumed and the boundary information doesn't reflect this. Does anyone know how roads drawn from this information should be tagged?

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Evan Sebire
I just took another look at the transformation tool http://www.actpla.act.gov.au/__data/assets/file/0016/5209/geomin32.exe and the spreadsheet is giving out the AMG lat long not MGA. I entered the lat long that the tool states is MGA into g'sat imagery and presto, mark straight on top of bbq!

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org: I just took another look at the transformation tool http://www.actpla.act.gov.au/__data/assets/file/0016/5209/geomin32.exe and the spreadsheet is giving out the AMG lat long not MGA. I entered the lat long that the tool states is MGA into g'sat imagery

Re: [talk-au] BTC mapper (Live POI uploader) launch event

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
There is a pro version that is more or less identical to the free version of our POI application for mobile phones, people want something more if they think it's got more perceived value, than something given away as freeware, which I find ironically funny. Any way there is 50 free copies being

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Evan Sebire
The problem is there is not one spreadsheet. The downloadable tool is rough enough for these types of POI. High accuracy between AMG to MGA only can be done with tools that use grid transformation (a bit table of values, NT file), these are also available as a free download, but would then

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Liz
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/3 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org: The problem is there is not one spreadsheet. The downloadable tool is rough enough for these types of POI. High accuracy between AMG to MGA only can be done with tools that use grid transformation (a bit table of

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org: The solution exists if we want to use a free download tool.  I do have source code for performing grid transformation from NTv2 files, but I think the effort creating an accurate tool for bbq's isn't justified. The tool from act gov will be within a

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 02/10/2009, at 9:01 PM, John Smith wrote: Might have to be a multipolygon, I just can't get it to render at all if I tell mapnik the tiles are dirty. I've just changed it over to be a multipolygon relation - if that works, I'll go file a bug

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Using the Qld govt boundaries information it's possible to work out where streets are, although some streets have been consumed and the boundary information doesn't reflect this. Does anyone know how roads drawn from this information should be

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Brendan Morley
John, How do you mean consumed? Is this related to the comment you made on my diary entry at http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/morb_au/diary/8140 ? I've also added my own tagging examples at a new page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data.australia.gov.au/Queensland if that helps.

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au: How do you mean consumed? Some land owners have taken over the land when it's probably still crown land. For example: http://maps.google.com.au/?ie=UTF8ll=-26.158115,152.64636spn=0.007184,0.013937z=17 Horswoord Road mostly doesn't exist, yet the

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:29:13 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Using the Qld govt boundaries information it's possible to work out where streets are, although some streets have been consumed and the boundary information doesn't

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:29:13 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Using the Qld govt boundaries information it's possible to work out where streets are, although some streets have been

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:46:22 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/3 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:29:13 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Using the Qld govt boundaries

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Ross Scanlon
I intended to fix it as soon as I could work out what tags were needed, but I thought I'd give an example of what is possible thanks to the new data becoming available. Ok, so now a quick description of how you did this. -- Cheers Ross ___

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: I intended to fix it as soon as I could work out what tags were needed, but I thought I'd give an example of what is possible thanks to the new data becoming available. Ok, so now a quick description of how you did this. Brendan has set up a WMS

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Brendan Morley
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:25:44 +1000, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/3 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au: How do you mean consumed? Some land owners have taken over the land when it's probably still crown land. For example:

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Ross Scanlon
Ok, so now a quick description of how you did this. Brendan has set up a WMS server of property boundaries, and things that aren't boudnaries show up as black areas and it's possible to guess which is roads depending how straight the gaps are between boudnaries. Here's a before shot of

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au: That's one of the reasons why I'm tagging DCDB-derived roads with note=DCDB indicates a right of way in this location. Needs a field survey to confirm highway type and actual alignment. Sometimes the road formation does not exist! That was just

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Brendan Morley
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:15:21 +1000, Ross Scanlon wrote: Ok, so now a quick description of how you did this. Brendan has set up a WMS server of property boundaries, and things that aren't boudnaries show up as black areas and it's possible to guess which is roads depending how straight the

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread James Livingston
On 02/10/2009, at 8:33 PM, James Livingston wrote: I converted the World Heritage Area file on my machine, and just uploaded one of the areas[1]. Does it look okay to people? If so, I'll go ahead and do the rest of the WHA data. Right, so it turns out that my randomly chosen one was a

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: Right, so it turns out that my randomly chosen one was a complete fluke - in most cases the World Heritage Areas and the National Parks don't have the same boundaries. There is however a proposed tagging scheme for UNESCO World Heritage areas/places,

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 04/10/2009, at 12:33 PM, John Smith wrote: whc:criteria:7=yes whc:criteria:8=yes whc:criteria:9=yes Given there's a finite set of criteria (ten of them) that sounds good. It may be extended in future, which might be problematic for embedding

[Talk-de] 1. Landshuter Mapper-Treffen am Montag, 5.10.

2009-10-03 Thread Gernot Hillier
Hallo zusammen! Auch in Landshut haben wir es endlich geschafft, ein kleines Treffen auf die Beine zu stellen: am: 05.10.2009 (Achtung, übermorgen! :-) ) um: 20:00 im: Rieblwirt, Freyung 631 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=48.53672mlon=12.15913zoom=17 Gäste sind natürlich auch herzlich

[Talk-de] Hilfe JOSM

2009-10-03 Thread Wolfgang Wienke
Hallo! JOSM wird immer komfortabler aber auch immer komplizierter. Könnte nicht mal einer der Fachleute die JOS-Hilfe entsprechend aktualisieren? Z.B.: Ich versuche Daten hochzuladen und erhalten Konflikt auf Datenebene 1, Konflik muss zunächst gelöst werden. Das sagt mir natürlich wenig. Die

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